Monday, August 20, 2012

Obama's "red line" for Syria? Chemical weapons. Dam the election

 Now with additional background info!

So, just who is going to gas the rebels? Who is going to do the deed?
One of the other "rebel" factions? Al Qaeda?
How about some of the many special ops from varying countries working to destabilize Syria?
The Brits? The French? The Americans? Perhaps some private for hire mercenaries?
Or perhaps some Syrians in the occupied Golan Heights? That could be spun as an attack on Israel?
Why do I ask? Glad your asking.....

President Obama, speaking to reporters at a White House briefing, said the deployment or use of biological weapons would widen the conflict in the region.

He said: "It doesn't just include Syria. It would concern allies in the region, including Israel, and it would concern us."

He warned President Bashar al-Assad and "other players on the ground" about the use or movement of such weapons.

He said: "A red line for us is [if] we see a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around, or being utilised. That would change my calculus."

Chemical weapon use would be cause for military intervention. But not just use, if Syria even moves these alleged chemical weapons....

U.S. President Barack Obama warned Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Monday that U.S. forces could move against him, notably if he deployed his chemical weapons against rebels trying to overthrow him.
In some of his strongest language yet on Syria, on a day when UN observers pulled out after a fruitless bid for peace and Mr. al-Assad’s forces mounted new attacks, the U.S. leader said Mr. al-Assad faced “enormous consequences” if he crossed a “red line” of even moving unconventional weapons in a threatening manner.

reporting by the BBC (first link)

The US has seen unconfirmed reports recently that the Syrian authorities have been moving the country's chemical arms stockpile.

Continuing on from the Nobel Peace Prize winner  for best bullshit(farce)
(nominated just 12 days after his 'election')

Seeking re-election in November, Mr. Obama noted that he had refrained “at this point” from ordering U.S. military engagement in Syria. But when he was asked at a news conference whether he might deploy U.S. forces, possibly to secure Syrian chemical and biological weapons, he said he could change his view.
“We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized,” Mr. Obama said. “That would change my calculus.”
“We cannot have a situation where chemical or biological weapons are falling into the hands of the wrong people,” Mr. Obama told an impromptu White House news conference. He acknowledged he was not “absolutely confident” the stockpile was secure.

The US can of course fix the intelligence to get the desired outcome. 
The US can of course supply the chemical weapons to anyone willing to use them.
Recall we have seen the images of the brand "rebel" fighters with gas masks?
Even though Obama has an election coming up, if chemical weapons came into play all the "bleeding heart  manipulated humanitarians" would be frothing at the mouth for the slaughter!
Cause you know, you have to kill to save!


  1. B, how is it you are coming to these conclusions?

    I am just not seeing it the way you are laying this out.
    Obama out of it? Not on your life.
    Are they (US) still supplying the rebels? Is the CIA still in Turkey handing out weapons, while checking ID for Al quada? (facetious)
    Are all manner of weapons being funneled via the GCC nations
    Is the Turkish proxy still beholden to NATO, which is run by the US, for all intents and purposes....

    Is the US still being pushed by Israel to take down Iran
    Is Israel looking to roll over Lebanon?
    Is Israel looking to keep the Golan Heights?
    Nothing has changed.
    Obama is prepping the audience so if it becomes necessary to place boots on the ground, the gullible have been prepared.
    It's called creating the supporting narrative.

    Hope I am wrong, but......

    Posted by: Penny | Aug 21, 2012 7:01:35 AM | 6

    I left this comment at MoA, went back and can't see it? Might be my glitchy computer??

    Posting it here because some readers from there visit here.

  2. Here we go. They always telegraph what they want to do before they do it. So how will chem weapons be moved in a "threatening manner"? These idiots dont even say things that make sense. The "wrong hands" i expect will be hezbollah. All accusations to be made without evidence, or if evidence it will be fabricated.

    Not to mention the use of chemical and experimental weapons by the US and Israel in wars they started this past decade...

  3. Hey AP
    just left a comment at your place

    And indeed here we go again.
    "They always telegraph what they want to do"
    Had to hastily post this last night when the news broke. Hubby spotted it and was like Obama is saying this.....


    Obama is setting the narrative, despite the upcoming election, if "chemical weapons" are moved in a "threatening manner" Interpret as you please, troops will be on the ground.

    Well if troops can be moved for invasion that means they are already close by!

    Creating the narrative.
    How it will go down I don't know? Hezbollah might be handy, because that would give the excuse to go into Lebanon.
    Israel would love that.
    Then of course there is the occupied Golan Heights? In which case some Syrians or Druze or someone else will bite it, Israel can "claim" that Israeli's were attacked and bingo roll on over Golan.
    Israel is already doing mineral exploration there, never mind the strategic position of the area and the water.

    Then there is the Sinai....
    The push for Iran's destruction
    It could take place in Syria. perhaps just south of the Turkish border, then Turkey could roll in and make that buffer zone.

    Options, options
    One thing is for sure, Obama at the slightest "threat" will have boots on the ground.

    So much for the "Peace Prize" Black Bush (hat tip to Dave McGowan) was nominated for just what 12 days in office?

    I got to dig up my old post on that and add it to this one
    Makes ya sick, don't it?

  4. Penny, this is just tough talk. NATO and it's proxy allies failed in the capture of Allepo and their greatest prize the Citadel. Obama knows that this failure has made Iran look victorious ( i think it was Iran's breaking of NATO's secure encoded communication). If anything they will move before October to Iran, I doubt it as the USA military will not allow this to happen. USA's worst enemy is already on it's shores, their worst enemy is the weather.

    1. I hope your right hans.
      Really I do.
      Until the fighters are out of Syria... I have my doubts

      Saw some news that Turkey and Saudi Arabia are shoring up the refugee camps..

      Saudi Arabia and Turkey are to set up jointly a refugee camp on the Turkish border for Syrians
      "Turkey hosts a large number of refugees and welcomes the Kingdom's (Saudi Arabia's) campaign to support our Syrian brethren," Mubarak Al-Bakr, Executive Director of Saudi National Fundraising Campaign for Syrians, said on Monday.

      According to a U.N. report, 66,000 Syrians have fled to neighboring Turkey and are living in nine refugee camps along the border. Many others live at Keelis and Hatai, two other main Syrian refugee camps in Jordan.

      Why not withdraw the fighters? Turkey could do this.
      Stop arming them. period. block them from entering Syria.

      Instead SA and Turkey are going to supply the refugees with food etc. The camps have always given cover to the fighters, therefore, supply the 'refugees' supply the fighters.

      As for the failure in Aleppo, it was a blow for sure.
      But still the fighters pour in through Turkey and Jordan..

      Noticed your comment on the weather at MoA.

      " i think it was Iran's breaking of NATO's secure encoded communication"

      did this have something to do with the drone take down?

  5. i would like to think it is tough talk also, that would be nice. but the need for a war is driven by the need to implode the financial system and reboot that. that need only gets greater by the day. the destruction and chaos of a large war provides the cover for the financial crimes and major changes they want to implement. order out of chaos crap...

    1. Hey AP

      I am in complete agreement, "tough talk" at this time in Obama's "career", right before an election?
      Desperation is right IMO. Not some go ahead to Assad to "do what you have to do" Except "move chemical weapons" right?

      Land Destroyer expresses an opinion that sees this as a desperation due to failure of policies so far enacted.

      Which jibes with what you said. Desperation.

      This could be over if SA would stop paying the rebels and Turkey would stop the support and block passage which they could very easily.

      Desperate times call for desperate measures and that's what scares me.

  6. I'm so damn sick of these US pols who think they can just lay out some "lines" which may not be crossed and, if they perceive they have been or manage to create evidencre they have been, then it's just A-OK to start another illegal war.

    Damn them.

    It's my nation that really needs regime change. Big time.

    1. Hey Jawbone

      It's frustrating for sure. I get sick of it from the Canadian mouthpieces also

      Time for the pushback is what I have said, non-violent
      non compliance

  7. Hi Penny
    Just when you think you have heard it all
    then this:
    Racist senior rabbi may decide whether Israel should attack Iran


    some text:
    The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews, according to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the head of Shas’s Council of Torah Sages and a senior Sephardi adjudicator.

    “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,” he said in his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat.

    According to Yosef, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.

    “In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

    This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,” Yosef said.

    “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi [master] and eat.

    That is why gentiles were created,” he added.

    end text

    You cant make this stuff up......unfortunalty

    Saying what I really really feel will probably get me in trouble.



  8. Hey KamNam

    The real world is more macabre then any imaginary world.

    I have seen that rabbi in other news stories
    It's amazing how the followers of Judaism can slur the gentiles all they want?
    And it is ok