Wednesday, August 14, 2013

Egypt: Creating a false paradigm to justify death and destruction

 This is one hell of an info packed post. I would very much appreciate the gift of your time to read as I gifted my time to research and write. Thank-You in advance :)

When I began working on this post, news out of Egypt had just started hitting the media. What was clear from those earliest reports is that this had been a brutal operation. Starting at dawn, protest camps fogged heavily with tear gas. Bulldozers, helicopters, snipers and live fire were all immediately reported
Earliest casualty counts had approximately 40 dead. That seemed to low for some of the imagery shown and the crowded conditions at the camp. Here are a couple of  early reports I had book marked this a.m though the coverage has likely changed and been updated since my initial reads.

On Monday I mentioned  or rehashed  the previous mentions regarding the two conditions that would push Egypt further into destabilization and all that entails. Egyptian Military Kills its own while collaborating with Israel & NATO ??? The destabilization began with the coup. The two newest worrisome developments were the appointment of a new Ambassador. The other was the crack down by the Egyptian military on the protest camps.Well the crack down took place and it was quite an abuse of military power.

*Early reports immediately after the crackdown -43 dead  though the number increased through out the day
*Latest reports 278 dead. A state of emergency, curfew and El Baradei resigns

-Should we as civilized individuals or sentient beings condone the military using live fire to break up a protest encampment, anywhere, ever?
-Is this an appropriate response by the military of a nation to what were largely reported to be peaceful protest encampments?

Also and this is important:  Before today's crack-down had even been completed......

 Appointment of 19 Generals as Provincial Governors Raises Fears in Egypt
 " Egypt’s new military-appointed government on Tuesday named a roster of generals as provincial governors
 Of the 25 provincial governors named, 19 are generals: 17 from the military and 2 from the police"
The western media had  informed us after psy-op coup # 2 it  was "Game Over" (Not by a long shot) and this was about the restoration of democracy. (Egyptian military had the laser light, firework show ready to go)


I wasn’t a recent coup supporter. Certainly not because I am a fan of the Muslim Brotherhood. Nor am I a supporter of religious extremism in any way shape or form. That includes the Islamic, Judaic and Christian forms of extremism.  In fact, I don’t support organized religion. Period. It’s all mind control in my book.
I simply could not support the coup because it looked to me to be a step in a very bad direction. Not a correction. Certainly not anything that could be touted as restoring democracy. And definitely not something done for the benefit of the populace of Egypt. Just a step towards destruction & death.
Some people understood where I was coming from. Others, not so much.

Immediately after the psyop coup you may recall my comment “cue the civil war”. That is how I interpreted that event.  An inevitable push towards chaos. The whole meme for the coup was ‘well democracy just can’t work for those people” I made reference to “white mans burden” and other of the usual western drivel. The Egyptians are quite capable of running their own country. As are the Syrians. As were the Libyans. The biggest problem for these nations is all the meddling of other self appointed   
imperious jack asses and the sycophants within the targeted nation states. Who are usually compromised in some way... but even so they are compromised by said imperious jack asses. Power corrupts and often corrupts what it touches, too.

The coup was presented as the only option. A false paradigm for a contrived dilemma. There is always more then one way. Often there are hundreds of option. Limited only by a failure of imagination.

More of that False Paradigm:  People will pay if army fails challenge of political Islam
Either military theocratic tyranny or  run of the mill theocratic tyranny. 
And dammit you will believe the media when they tell you that nothing lies between those two extremes.

This story forms the basis for the post of the day. I will highlight important points and include additional links

THE forces of political Islam - expounding an ideology to transform Muslim societies along a variety of Islamic lines, depending on one's interpretation of the Islamic faith - have been dealt a serious blow in Egypt and, as a consequence, in the region. Yet, unless the new rulers of Egypt come up with a viable alternative ideology of nation-building, political Islamism will continue to be a critical variable in shaping Egyptian and regional politics in the years to come.

The Egyptian military has begun a process of systematically weakening the Muslim Brotherhood, which was the publicly sanctioned ruling party until the overthrow of president Mohammed Morsi last month. Not only Morsi and many of his cabinet colleagues, but also most of the Brotherhood leaders are now in detention. They all face charges of sedition and inciting violence in one form or another.

*The imprisoning of Morsi and company was intended  asinflammatory act.

The aim seems to be to ensure that the Brotherhood and its political wing, the Justice and Freedom Party - which won a parliamentary and a presidential election, respectively, last year - will no longer be in a position to achieve electoral triumph.

*Or make them martyr figures?

 In this, the military has had the support of not only the old authoritarian structures, created under former Egyptian ruler Hosni Mubarak, but also many pro-democracy and liberalist forces who have acted as the custodians of the February 2011 pro-democracy revolution. They include the ex-chief of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, and former foreign minister Amr Musa.
*Odd bedfellows, the February 11 movement and the old authoritarian structures ie the military

Meanwhile, most conservative oil-rich Arab monarchies, led by Saudi Arabia, have been quick to back Egypt's military-installed government under Adly Mahmoud Mansour, with $12 billion of financial aid. They have shared the Syrian regime's congratulatory message to the new rulers, despite vehement opposition to that regime.

*If the US approves, the Saudi Arabia does also

As for the major powers, the US, which has a close relationship with the Egyptian military (the main beneficiary of its $1.3bn annual aid to Egypt), has called for the release of Morsi and his colleagues, but has refused to brand the military takeover as a coup and therefore cut off aid to Egypt.
*The US does not brand this a coup, because it wasn’t. The military. The real authority of Egypt still retains power. Therefore there is no impetus to brand this anything at all. Other then just another movement on the chess board.

This is all too familiar to the Brotherhood and political Islamists throughout the Arab world, where they are now once again subjected to wider crackdowns. Mubarak's toppling opened the way virtually by default for the Brotherhood to gain electoral victory, inspiring other Arab political Islamists to become more assertive.
*Ah, but wait a minute. If the Brotherhood is ‘once again subjected to crackdown’ this can only mean the brotherhood will have to fight back

The Brotherhood cannot be absolved of responsibility for the sad situation in which it and many other Arab political Islamists now find themselves. Morsi and his Brotherhood supporters, now locked in a bloody power struggle with the military and its civilian backers, proved to be too ideological and less inclusive. They appeared to forget that the revolution against Mubarak had been led by pro-democracy elements, not the Brotherhood, which entered the fray only when it became clear that the days of the old regime were numbered.
*Yes, the brotherhood stepped in to win an election that was rigged on their behalf.

They also could not see that most of their electoral support came from the vast impoverished social and economic strata of the Egyptian society, who expected urgent improvements in their living conditions. Nor could they comprehend that the Arab ruling elites had little or no appetite for tolerating a kind of political Islamism that could challenge their political legitimacy. Instead of recognising the changing conditions with a sound plan to address the pressing issues at hand in an inclusive and reformist manner, Morsi and his cohorts showed a closed mentality in pursuit of power.
*The Arab ruling elites, tolerance and challenging their political legitimicy had zero to do with this removal of Morsi and co. SA, Qatar, and the like have no problem whatsoever with the MB’s in Egypt. They are cut from the same cloth. What kind of Islamism were the MB promoting that was a challenge in any way to the despots in SA, Qatar, UAE etc?
Concurrently, Morsi and the Brotherhood leaders remained confident of the military's backing.

*Of course MB and friends remained confident. The US and company had guaranteed their win. Why would they doubt the military backing?
Upon assuming his position as Egypt's first democratically elected president, little more than a year ago, Morsi moved fast to exert his authority over the military. He appointed a relatively unknown but religiously pious General Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi as Defence Minister. Sisi, who has a masters degree from the US Army War College, had scored a meteoric rise since 2008. He had gained a reputation as the effective Army Commander of Alexandria and as one defending the military's practice of female virginity testing during the Egyptian revolution. He rapidly replaced a number of ranking officers to shore up his position, and earned the Brotherhood's trust. However, what Morsi and his colleagues could not discern was that Sisi may have also had political ambitions.

Sisi as Defence Minister? A man who has a masters degree from the US Army College and scored a meteoric rise since 08.  Before Morsi and while Mubarek was in? What kind of meteoric rise?
Did Morsi appoint this man, really. As if it was his choice to make?  Not bloody likely!
Did he put a local seal of approval on the man who appears to be chosen by the US.  More sensibly.
Why would the February 11 movement, the pro-democracy movement. The movement that created the show for ousting Mubarek, throw their support behind this religious military crack pot? The answer seems to me that the Feb 11 movement is backed by the same crowd as el Sisi is

The Brotherhood's failure on different fronts caused growing public agitations, spearheaded largely by the very elements that led the February 2011 revolution. This finally provided a unique opportunity for Sisi to side with the protesters, and topple Morsi's government. He instituted a civilian government, with him as the Defence Minister and Deputy Prime Minister - all in the name of the people and the need for effective democratic transition. He called on the Brotherhood's opponents to come out on the streets to give him public legitimacy to crush the Islamists' resistance.

The general has now arguably become as polarising a figure as Morsi, setting Egyptians against Egyptians and imperiling the country's transition to a democratic set-up. He has indeed come up with his own brand of democratisation, based on a military-centred politics of polarisation of the public, which carries the risk of a widespread bloody confrontation.

As such, the scene is set for Egypt's long-term structural instability and insecurity, unless the military changes course to open the way for the growth of political pluralism and inclusiveness, and national unity.
Order from chaos. This is the exact contention I made way back in July, immediately following the second coup psyop. 

And one final news article. Regarding Egypts army and where it's loyalties lie.

Egypt's Military State Within a State- excerpts below
I have stated on numerous occasions Egypts military is not like the military in Syria.
It is more akin to the Turkish military.
The generals also preside over 16 enormous factories that turn out not just weapons, but an array of domestic products from dishwashers to heaters, clothing, doors, stationary pharmaceutical products, and microscopes. Most of these products are sold to military personnel through discount military stores, but large amount are also sold commercially.
The military also builds highways, housing developments, hotels, power lines, sewers, bridges, schools, telephone exchanges, often in murky arrangements with civilian companies.
The military are also Egypt's largest farmers, running a vast network of dairy farms, milk processing facilities, cattle feed lots, poultry farms, fish farms. They've plenty left from their huge output to sell to civilians through a sprawling distribution network.
The justification for all this non-military activity is that the military are just naturally more efficient that civilians. Hard not to be "more efficient" when you are able to employ thousands of poorly paid military recruits for labor.
Many civilian businessmen complain that competing with the military is like trying to compete with the Mafia. 
 Whatever the number, Robert Springborg, who has written extensively on Egypt, says officers in the Egyptian military are making "billions and billions and billions" of dollars.
But there's no way to know how efficient or inefficient the military are, nor how much money their vast enterprises make, nor how many millions or billions get skimmed off since the military's operations are off the nation's books. No real published accountings.
No oversight. Even Mohammed Morsi was obliged to agree to the military's demand that there be no civilian oversight of the military budget.
So, don't tell me that Morsi ran Egypt. He was the figure head as long as the military allowed it.
The only way the Egyptian military can turn this situation around is if the conscripts rise up and turn on the generals and the corrupt system with the support of ALL Egyptians. All Egyptians. Islamic, Christian or whatever.


  1. I wonder how many understand both the MB and the military are fighting on the same side just that neither one of them know that.

    As desception is fueled by the ignorant, the beast will feed on the innocent.

    1. I don't think enough are aware of the fact that MB and military are fighting on the same side- and your right, many of them are unaware, but some of them are not
      Deception is fueled by the ignorant and the beast will indeed feed on the innocent
      very apt

  2. This in my view is a more accurate appraisal of the situation in Egypt.

    1. I read it. More accurate then what?
      I really like nsnbc, however he is promoting the 'false paradigm' IMO
      El Sisi is the US's man and Egypt is a NATO partner
      Why is it people don't get that? .
      Why would NATO have to take control back of the Sinai?
      When Egypt is run by the US and NATO for all intents and purposes
      Go look at the NATO site
      Or check my previous post, it is linked there
      I am sure there were numerous plots to create mayhem
      That is what one does when one creates conditions for destabilization and civil war.
      From where I sit the one entity that wants the Sinai is Israel

  3. Penny,

    I have relatives in Egypt who consider the military the only salvation for Egypt. And I've met many, many liberals who have the same view.

    The hope in getting rid of Mubarak was to see a better man, such as the kind of strongman who has been seen in East Asia over the last few decades. In other words, a strong state with good progress. Think South Korea a few decades ago.

    So these liberals are not like the liberals one finds in San Francisco or Britain.

    re: "The only way the Egyptian military can turn this situation around is if the conscripts rise up and turn on the generals and the corrupt system with the support of ALL Egyptians."

    One would imagine that what they need is a benevolent dictator.


    1. Hi Paul:

      Thanks for explaining all that. I do appreciate it.I am quite certain the Egyptians had hoped for better. The people do deserve to have better. As people do everywhere.
      I think of Egypt and her people as descendents of this really, truly great civilization
      The knowledge, the history. I am awe struck when I think about it
      A benevolent dictator? Is that possible? I don't know?
      Admittedly from far away I see the people needing to come together to work against their common enemy, which is the apparatus of the state
      No different then anywhere else

    2. I think you are seeing countries in black and white, and the real world is full of grey. Mubarak refused many requests of the US sphere, and that is one of the causes of the current problem. You may see a country's leader in a place like Japan as being under US control, but DC may be angry over many things and work hard to remove or otherwise destroy a key politician or minister.

      Stated differently, a government might be 75% under US control, and the US might want to "remove" the leader as 75% is just not enough. Also, a country might be very puppet-like, but it could be in the perceived interests of the owner to have it go up in flames in some way. The US probably would have been glad to see Turkey invade Syria and just agree to have NATO not fight Russia. The local leader, such as el-Sisi, might refuse to commit suicide for the good of America.

      And, sure, benevolent dictators happen all the time. Khadaffi seemed pretty close. The problem is what comes after.


    3. Paul: If I may? How you believe I see the world and how I actually see the world are likely two very different things.

      It is very, very, very obvious to me the word is full of greys
      my words, my actual words in italics should make that abundantly clear

      "The coup was presented as the only option. A false paradigm for a contrived dilemma. There is always more then one way. Often there are hundreds of option. Limited only by a failure of imagination"

      It is not myself that sees the world in black and white
      It is the media that presents everything as black and white
      there is this or that and nothing in between.

      Here is another requote from myself in reference to a false paradigm media presentation- "More of that False Paradigm: People will pay if army fails challenge of political Islam (headline presenting black vs white)

      Either military theocratic tyranny or run of the mill theocratic tyranny.
      And dammit you will believe the media when they tell you that nothing lies between those two extremes.

      Would I be presenting the msm's false media paradigm as that if I believed it?

      Rather then repeating how you think I see things, you might try actually reading what it is I am personally saying. Then we can move the discussion forward?

    4. Penny,

      Then I apologize. It seemed to me that you thought that the Egyptian military was under the American thumb to the same degree that the MB is. I consider that to be quite dubious. And one can contemplate the great energy the West put into Turkey to break the military and raise the MB. Anyway, I get the feeling we simply disagree on the situation. I see the US as being opportunistic in this, but not happy to see their MB fall out so quickly. It would be like the US getting Turkey or Egypt to attack Syria; it wasn't the original goal, which was to gin up a real civil war, but you always have to take advantage of the cards you're dealt. Similarly, the Egyptian military was probably just thinking of keeping their money and position till it became clear that they couldn't live with the MB. Then it became war. The MB may have miscalculated how far they could push the military and how much leverage the US could apply against the military.

      Still, it remains to be seen what will come from el-Sisi.

      In any case, keep up the great work.


    5. On some points we will have to agree to disagree
      But, it would only be like quibbling over a bit of this or a bit of that
      Is the US being opportunistic? Clearly.

      I would like to ask you a question. Where do you see Israel in all this?
      And Israel is playing its role. As sure as it has been in Syria.
      Because Israel will look out for its own interests
      And Israel covets the Sinai
      So, what do you think the Israeli role might be?

    6. Different opinions make the world go 'round.

      I think Israel is a big, big part of this. You have the Greater Israel types, but there is also the Sinai and the Suez Canal. Then, speaking a bit more metaphysically, many there seem to have caught a virus that only blood and an empire can cure.

      Then there is control of the gas. It is likely that a lot of gas is all over the place, and the best way to prevent others from developing it is to blow them up and destabilize them. So Israel would stay modern while the Arabs and Persians go back a century. It's actually breathtaking to see their influence, but they are an outpost of the London bankers and the American complex.

      It's also obvious that a large part of the PR and disinfo war has come from the Israelis. A place like Twitter can be 90% with a narrative they want.

      As far as specifics, oh, the snipers who turn "peaceful protests" violent likely have Mossad written all over them. I would also expect them to provide intel and communications to their allies/Western puppets. And, of course, things like fake phone calls to people that supposedly illustrate how they have been betrayed by their friends. They are good at creating trouble.

      Still, at the end of the day, my view is that the true insanity comes from the West, and those who are using its military power to try to build a global dictatorship (to the extent possible). They don't want friends; they want servants, and that's why the world situation could blow up at any minute. The natives are restless.


    7. Thanks Paul

      For the response on Israeli involvement
      Which had to have been present in all this
      Because as you say " it is a big world"

  4. and you thought the Cold War was over? Hollywood does Putin? the following in Comingsoon is not very promising and sounds nasty:

    'In present-day Russia, ruled by blue-eyed, unblinking President Vladimir Putin, Russian intelligence officer Dominika Egorova struggles to survive in the post-Soviet intelligence jungle. Ordered against her will to become a “Sparrow,” a trained seductress, Dominika is assigned to operate against Nathaniel Nash, a young CIA officer who handles the Agency’s most important Russian mole.'

    ruled by? is US 'ruled by black eyed unblinkin president Obama?

    it makes president Putin sound like a dictator(item: who is it seeking peace in the middle east? Black eyed Obama or Blue eyed Putin?

    and who is it has to act against his/her will? the american? no...the russian....its as if Snowden/Manning didnt exist

    1. Hollywood has always been mind control.
      They should do a movie about Tzipi Livny (spelling?)
      She had sexual relations for 'her country' from what I had read

    2. Penny

      "She had sexual relations for 'her country' from what I had read"

      So rumour is true. The Israelis are crossbreeding themselves with goats in an effort to refine the master race... ;)

      (Sorry, the set-up was perfect and I couldn't resist)

      вот так

  5. here they are yet again: mysterious snipers: sowing chaos among emotional people:

    'Ch.L.: I think it was a very wise decision, but first let me tell you that I have been talking with eyewitnesses this morning, who reported that the live ammunition that was used was used by snipers. It may very well be foreign elements who have been shooting at protesters too to stir up violence.'

    remember this?

    Unknown snipers played a pivotal role throughout the so-called « Arab Spring Revolutions » yet, in spite of reports of their presence in the mainstream media, surprisingly little attention has been paid to to their purpose and role.

    The Russian investigative journalist Nikolay Starikov has written a book which discusses the role of unknown snipers in the destabilization of countries targeted for regime change by the United States and its allies.

  6. footage of snipers on roof in egypt

    1. thanks brian, there were lots of reports in the msm about the presence of snipers

  7. So what is the role of the "retired" .mil like:

    Will it be the this entourage that is shuttled back in to restore order?

    1. Tantawi a blast from the past...
      Do you think he will have a role?
      I don't know.

    2. It was more than Tantawi - it was a whole cadre of .mil. One wonders where they are, who they are talking to and what role they are playing?

    3. I guess we shall have to pay attention to what the future brings
      Judging by yesterdays actions and the installation of military generals as provincial governors, it would appear the military is staying put.

  8. Another great effort Penny, thanks. This just another episode of the greedy elites vs. the masses. If the people are fed and working, none of this takes place. Simplistic thinking? yeah, but I believe it to be so. Chris Hedge's latest effort on Truthdig is worth a read.

    1. And it is really a greedy elites vs humanity,

      Whether it is the church vs ----
      Royalty vs----
      Corrupt government vs---
      Corporation vs----

      But the problem always lies with us for having some sort of belief or faith in these greedy elites. And putting them on some pedestal

  9. Israel hits back but via car bomb?

    Hez takes responsibility for Israeli soldiers killed inside Lebanon...

  10. Then again...