Friday, September 11, 2015

Fear Reinforcement- Lavrov “unintended incidences’ Russian Naval Exercises & Circular Narratives

Booga Booga, be afraid- Lavrov has uttered two words which are being quoted out of context to induce fear....“unintended incidences”
Why would the media choose those two words to regurgitate in headline after headline?
I suspect it's because those two out of context words fit in very nicely with the propaganda that has been making the rounds for nearly two weeks now. I am of course referring to the claims of massive Russian build up, boots on the ground and "Dirty War forces to Syria" Hand in glove, I would say.
BTW: Look what the National Post is passing off as credible news!

Are the Russian troops reportedly being sent to Syria from the same brigade that helped annex Crimea?
“Some of the Russian troops reportedly being sent to Syria are from the same brigade that helped annex Crimea, according to a lengthy investigation conducted by Ruslan Leviev, a specialist in social-media intelligence.
 Ruslan Leviev is the only source cited repeatedly for these claims- By now should we not have been able to garner multiple & varied sources to definitively verify if this claim is even close to being true?  Shouldn't we have? I would think so. Yet, that is not the case. The entire narrative of a Russian expansion and build up, of troops on the ground fighting etc comes from one source and one source only! Ruslan Leviev.
The Kremlin has declined to comment, but, if true, “the deployment of an elite unit from Crimea, which inaugurated Russia’s standoff with the West, is an intriguing choice,” writes The Daily Beast’s Michael Weiss.”

This Daily Beast story was linked by me in the comments section yesterday

Well the Daily Beast has a new version of this story: Is the so called alternative media going to run with this too?

Putin Sends His Dirty War Forces to Syria
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/10/putin-sends-his-dirty-war-forces-to-syria.html
"An investigation by Ruslan Leviev, a specialist in social-media intelligence, the soldiers are from the 810th Marine Brigade...
Ruslan Leviev the same "activist/blogger/social media intelligence specialist"  touted by msm and alternatives such as ZeroHedge & Moon of Alabama as authoritative.  Ruslan Leviev providing information that no one else is able to gather or verify?

 No one else can verify this information.  Now that is amazing!! 

 Just thinking aloud, how extraordinary a circumstance it is that Ruslan, and Ruslan alone, is so privileged  to able to gather, verify and garner wide spread global media attention for his 'intelligence'

Back to the topic of this post
"Russia called on Friday for Washington to restart direct military-to-military cooperation to avert "unintended incidents"  

Link
“He (Lavrov)  told a news conference Russia was conducting military exercises in the Mediterranean Sea, that it had been for some time, and that they were in line with international law”
“Russia was also conducting naval exercises in the eastern Mediterranean, he said, describing the drills as long-planned and staged in accordance with international law”
What Russia was conducting naval exercises!!!
Why didn’t uber activist Ruslan Leviev mention that? Is this the  massive build up that Leviev has been claiming? And the neocon zionist disinfo crowd has been promoting relentlessly?
 Lavrov blamed Washington for cutting off direct military-to-military communications between Russia and NATO over the Ukraine crisis, saying such contacts were "important for the avoidance of undesired, unintended incidents".

"We are always in favor of military people talking to each other in a professional way. They understand each other very well" Lavrov said. "If, as (U.S. Secretary of State) John Kerry has said many times, the United States wants those channels frozen, then be our guest."


From the press conference
Moscow is set to continue supporting Syria in its fight against Islamic State and provide Damascus with military supplies, Russia’s foreign minister said, stressing that the drills of the Russian Navy near Syrian shores fully comply with international law. 
“We support the fight of the Syrian government against so-called Islamic State, which neither represents Islam, nor happens to be a state,” Sergey Lavrov said Friday.

Russia will not hesitate to continue maintaining Syria’s defensive capacity to counter the terrorist threat, Lavrov said.

“I can tell you once again, that our servicemen and military experts remain there [in Syria] for the maintenance of Russian [military] hardware and assisting the Syrian army in using this hardware, there’s training under way,” Lavrov said, stressing that military hardware supplies will continue.
In fighting terrorism, Moscow has always supported “teamwork based on international legislation,” the foreign minister said.

Lavrov also reiterated that the anti-ISIS coalition should start cooperating with the Syrian government and army on the ground.

“The most effective and powerful ground force to fight Islamic State is the Syrian army,” Lavrov said, adding that coordination is necessary to avoid “unintended incidents.” 

Moscow has been calling on to the US-led anti-ISIS coalition to team up with the Syrian army from the very beginning of airstrikes against Islamic State one year ago.
“Better late than never,” Lavrov said.

“If battling terrorism is a priority, than all opportunistic considerations, like a regime change in Syria, should be put aside” he added.
“We always back up professional dialogue of the militaries, they understand each other well,” Lavrov said. “It’s important to preclude undesired and non-deliberate incidents,” Lavrov said.
As for the naval drills conducted in the Mediterranean, Lavrov said he had no exact information about the schedule of the drills, but confirmed that they take place on a regular basis.
He also insisted that any training of the Russian Navy in international waters is conducted in full compliance with international law.
Russian authorities have warned that national naval training is taking place east of Cyprus and will last till September 17.

To clarify: When I speak of propagandistic perception management and agenda pushing I am referencing to an extraordinary change in Russian support. I am referencing claims of  increased or mass Russian boots on the ground.  I am talking about Ruslan Leviev and his lone intel.
Not of business as usual type Russian involvement, which must certainly increase and decrease depending on circumstances. Circumstances in Syria, over these years would have undoubtedly seen an increase in Russian involvement but not as hyped up by Ruslan Leviev

 Russia has been involved with Syria, for as long as I can recall and that involvement has never been denied.  But, save for one person and one person only there has been no other verification of this greatly expanded Russian involvement from any other source. I find that extremely suspicious and problematic. Keeping in mind the timing- Sept 11. The upcoming Putin address to the UN. The offer made by Assad to share power with an honest opposition and another election. The US/NATO Israeli push to increase the war against Syria, including the placement of their 'boots on the ground' All this can be justified because of this claimed  yet unsubstantiated expansion by Russia. It's all to dam convenient for pushing ahead with the desired war agenda and therefore has to be viewed cautiously and skeptically.

If I'm mistaken, so be it. But I'm searching and searching far and wide for credible information supporting the Ruslan Leviev theory and it isn't forthcoming

How I interpret Lavrov's language:

Lavrov is reiterating that Russian miltary is, as it has always been, present in and around Syria. He is reminding certain parties of that presence. He is open for cooperation to fight "ISIS" but forget about overthrowing Assad. It's a tread carefully message.

Would love to read the thoughts of others!

43 comments:

  1. I believe that Syria (and perhaps Yemen) was "given" to Israel and Saudi Arabia respectively by the perps...as a tit for tat exchange for doing nothing about the Iran deal. The Iran deal is just a postponement of aggression against Iran, mind you. But Israel was "promised" Five Countries in Five Years, according to Wesley Clarke...and a deal is a deal!!!

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    1. This makes perfect sense to me. It's exactly the sort of Quid Pro Quo deal that psychopaths make.

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    2. Hey GC "The Iran deal is just a postponement of aggression against Iran, mind you" I agree completely!

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  2. Gotta love the Orwellian Western MSM. Reminds me of Karl Rove's statement of
    "Reality-based community"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

    Present the Big Lie and force the little people to disprove it rather than present the facts and support it with logical arguments and evidence.

    The Soviets/Russians have been supporting Syria since 1946:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Syria_relations

    As you've said, how is any of this "news"?

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    1. "Present the Big Lie and force the little people to disprove it rather than present the facts and support it with logical arguments and evidence."

      Exactly right, Kent. The onus of proof is on Leviev and not Penny. Secondly, if MOA is making a case based on Leviev's conjecture, then the first step is to verify the facts. b (MOA) has not done that, therefore all argument passed that point has no substance or validity. And all Penny has to do is point that out which she has repeatedly.

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    2. "Secondly, if MOA is making a case based on Leviev's conjecture, then the first step is to verify the facts. b (MOA) has not done that, therefore all argument passed that point has no substance or validity. And all Penny has to do is point that out which she has repeatedly"

      Exactly James, I tried and tried to verify the information myself as presented by Ruslan L and I could not- I poured through the multiple msm accounts and the msm sites will not commit to the Ruslan narrative.
      Still sticking to the alleged, probably and the possibly- That is not validation- that's just wild speculation

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    3. Hey Kent; exactly!

      "The Soviets/Russians have been supporting Syria since 1946:"


      One of my earliest posts here was regarding Russia's construction and expansion at Tartus- so that was quite a few years back

      But Ruslan is claiming extraordinary moves have been made by Russia- out of the ordinary- beyond the usual etc., but doesn't substantiate it. The msm regurgitates it using the language of speculation, nothing more
      And I'm the one that can't sort fact from fiction?

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  3. "Ruslan Leviev the same "activist/blogger/social media intelligence specialist" touted by msm and alternatives such as ZeroHedge & Moon of Alabama as authoritative"
    also touted by Brown Moses - the ultimate give-away!

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    1. Yes, this is an 'appeal to authority' where the 'authority' is couched in vague terms and is not established or referenced in any way. Further, this source is cited by others who appear to have either a conflict of interest (Zerohedge and Brown Noses - good catch, MMM) or display poor critical thinking skills (MOA)

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    2. MMM I saw brown moses and bellingcat were promoting his work also-
      Brown Moses has always bolstered the 'official' position look at their alleged work on the chemical weapons attack in Syria it was laughable

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  4. “Some of the Russian troops reportedly being sent to Syria are from the same brigade that helped annex Crimea, according to a lengthy investigation conducted by Ruslan Leviev, a specialist in social-media intelligence.

    yahooooue news had that yesterday and my comment was.
    This a good thing because the nice soldiers in Green didn't fire one shot.

    Comment was taken down and I see b is busy taking down comments today;)
    Thanks Penny

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    1. Haha, good point!

      So many good points from everybody I couldn't help commenting on them.

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    2. Thanks for sharing jo- So yahoo news was using Ruslan L as their source too?

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    3. james what did you think about the lavrov statements?

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    4. Pen, I think Lavrov is trying to communicate with US military leaders because they are being manoeuvred into an armed conflict between Russia and the US by the mouth-foaming neocons.

      Lavrov is telling them that Russian personnel will be manning the anti-aircraft missiles. An attack on them is a direct attack on Russia.

      I might get time to write more on my blog later today (my time). If I do Ill leave a link here.

      In the meantime, take a bo-peep at this insightful article from Sputnik's Andrew Korybko from a month ago. There have been developments since them but he is still 'on the money' imho-

      Russia's Endgame in Syria

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    5. correct link
      russia-insider.com/en/politics/shuttle-diplomacy-save-syria/ri9156

      Russia's Endgame in Syria

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  5. I'm on a roll today! One of the primary targets for this sort of propaganda is the servicemen and women and their family and friends. Vietnam must have taught the propagandists this lesson.

    Cutting the senior U.S. military off from contact with their Russian counterparts isolates them from a counter view to their neocon masters. This is a way to start wars and not prevent them.

    By constantly referencing Lavrov's words, "unintended incidents" , they are attempting to turn his words from a common sense caution into a threat against the U.S. The neocons and their media are relentless if nothing else.

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  6. Oh dear what are the agenda pushers going to say now ?
    Read this:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-civil-war-the-russians-are-coming-topresident-assads-aid--orare-they-10495563.html

    "These are exciting stories bringing back memories of the Cold War, but as yet there is a shortage of proven facts to sustain allegations of a big new Russian military build-up in Syria. This is according to a report by Ruslan Leviev and a team of Russian journalists published on the website Bellingcat that has previously investigated Russian military involvement in Ukraine."

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  7. B here is another source for you:
    Making the exact same point I'm making and the very point you are ignoring- Perhaps Patrick Cockburn is more palatable to you?

    The Russians are Coming. Or are they?


    "These are exciting stories bringing back memories of the Cold War, but as yet there is a shortage of proven facts to sustain allegations of a big new Russian military build-up in Syria. This is according to a report by Ruslan Leviev and a team of Russian journalists published on the website Bellingcat that has previously investigated Russian military involvement in Ukraine"

    My point exactly b, there is a shortage of proven facts to sustain these allegations

    Posted by: Penny | Sep 11, 2015 4:22:38 PM

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  8. I just posted the above comment at MOA. Will b publish it?
    Should be interesting

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  9. "Only because YOU don't know other sources or can't find them does not mean that there are no other sources"

    I guess Patrick Cockburn has no other sources either, right b?

    Posted by: Penny | September 11, 2015 at 04:27 PM
    Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

    Of course both comments are yet to show

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  10. btw: Here is b's comment notice it is yet again another attack on me, but, no addressing of lack of verifying information other then that it suits him fine

    "@Penny - Ruslan and Michael Weiss- both the source and content is questionable.

    "Wrong. Both were sources. The content was an analysis of various pictures and movements. That analysis was mostly correct"

    I removed a requote of my comment

    "Only because YOU don't know other sources or can't find them does not mean that there are no other sources. I am quite confident that my information, which fits the information those neocons presented, is correct."

    Posted by: b | Sep 11, 2015 3:13:33 PM | 94"

    b equating himself with neo cons? I've yet to find the neocons credible?
    War makers sure, but credible?

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  11. More from the Cockburn article related to this topic of discussion:

    "Not in doubt is that Russia has been Syria’s main military supplier for at least 40 years, and that there have always been Russian military personnel there.

    US officials confirm only that Russia has recently sent two tank landing craft, aircraft, and a small number of forces

    Overall, there is little evidence that at this stage Russia has substantially increased its existing mission – providing advice and instruction – probably numbering in the hundreds, plus aircraft engineers and logistics specialists protected by Russian marines.

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  12. ""The content was an analysis of various pictures and movements. That analysis was mostly correct"

    "Mostly correct"? Ok, b, you're making the assertion, now make your case!

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  13. I also linked Patrick Cockburns latest in b's newest post, lest he miss it in the older post

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  14. I'll stop by b later but Patrick Cockburn lives in the region has been there for a long time. I do love counterpunch the real left.

    SYRIAN GIRL
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pHFnvFbThDE

    She nails it but I have to agree the term liberal interventionist is the wrong term, they're murdering neo-conns.

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    1. Hey jo: going to watch the video- thanks
      think I will get a glass of wine to sip also!

      still waiting for b to let the comments through, including the link to Cockburns article- it's been a couple of hours and nothing..
      will he allow them to pass at all?

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  15. By this point in time, the majority of rational individuals in the world can clearly see that the Syrian war is, and always has been, a proxy war. The Syrian war more than any of the other recent (planned) conflicts in the ME (also including Afghanistan) was intended to be the ultimate Jackpot!

    On one side (pro-Syria) we have Russia, Iran and Hezbollah.
    On the other side (anti-Syria) we have USA/NATO, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and Israel.

    Defeating Assad and destroying an independent Syria primarily implies (among many other things) the following:

    1. Removing Russian forces from the Mediterranean and the Middle East.
    2. Cleaving and isolating Hezbollah from it's base of support.
    3. Securing territory for an energy corridor from the Gulf to Turkey.

    Number 1. - Benefits all of the anti-Syria players tactically (mostly USA/NATO), and strategically undermines Russia.
    Number 2. - Strategically benefits Israel with minor benefits to Gulf players, while tactically undermining Iran, and strategically undermining Hezbollah.
    Number 3. - Strategic benefits for Turkey and Gulf players, with perks for USA/NATO and Israel, while strategically damaging Russia and Iran.

    The Syrian war is a very, very loaded situation and will not go away until something breaks.
    For Russia and Hezbollah the stakes are huge (not to mention Syria!). For Iran they're not as bad. Perhaps this is why completing the Iran nuclear deal was suddenly so important for the USA a few months ago (against all the screaming out of Israel and Saudia).
    For the anti-Syria group the stakes are not so huge at all. Whatever they stand to gain comes at the expense of their efforts and risks little else. Their determination, opportunism and budgetary restrictions are the main determining factors. As long as there are willing mercenaries and money, they risk little in continuing their efforts.

    But...Things aren't going so well for the anti-Syria group after 4 yrs of proxy fighting they have tried several schemes to accelerate their efforts. Methods include: False flag chemical weapons attacks c/w controlled media narratives; destabilzation of Iraq in conjunction with the introduction of ever more radicalized 'islamist' proxies c/w controlled media narratives; crashing the price of oil; opening up another front against Russia and introducing sanctions. All of these were intended to shake Russia's grip and confidence, whilst hurrying up Assad's fall.
    All efforts seem to be having serious blow-back issues.

    Why all the sudden hysteria and hyperbole over a Russian presence in a proxy war? Perhaps as noted, to counter the blow-back and failures?

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    1. Hi Spinworthy: Clearly you put much thought into that response and I'm going to have to give it the thinking it deserves in return :)
      Thanks

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    2. "The Syrian war is a very, very loaded situation and will not go away until something breaks"

      that's for sure!

      "Things aren't going so well for the anti-Syria group after 4 yrs of proxy fighting they have tried several schemes to accelerate their efforts."

      I was reading something to that effect somewhere today.. Syrian Army is in a good position... If I can find it again I will link it here, but, don't hold your breathe or anything

      "Why all the sudden hysteria and hyperbole over a Russian presence in a proxy war? Perhaps as noted, to counter the blow-back and failures?"

      It's possible. But, I'm still leaning towards expanded warfare by the NATO nutters and it looks as if my hunch on the 9/11 anniversary was on the money

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  16. Russia just outed the US siplos in country for traveling to a local election region.
    Russi likewsie just outed another surveillance cell
    Russia also just reported a US plane flying over the Northern skies.
    All in sputnik several days ago.
    Romania voices calling for Moldova merger
    Polish General shaming the US into Raptor deployments
    Russia just announcing a series of Bulova tests in the next month or so.

    Consider the following
    brazil downgraded
    Nigeria removed form JPM bond index
    India seeing protests after days ago saysing Russia is the protector of central asia
    China warning the US in wake of ships offshore to tone down the Cyber allegations labeled unfounded
    South Africa gets terror alert
    Russia FX nearing lows
    G calls for $20 oil
    Another Malaysia fund raising scandal this time with links into the UAE
    Turkey Lira making new lows on the PKK escalation
    Indonesia just announced a Russian arms deal and rumored China train deal amidst ambitious privatization agenda

    BRICS MINT in trouble

    Thailand investigation tying together the China nexus after the big infrastructure deals and NATO drift (in wake of mass grave allegations which went nowhere, yet)



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    1. anon: big favour, but, much appreciated
      can you leave links to at least a few of those, it will save me so much time in hunting them up to read and post for others
      Thanks in advance :)

      I did see the 20 oil, the Turkish Lira falling. The Thailand investigation over the bombing- this is the uighurs sent by Turkey stuff?

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  17. Hi Pen,
    I've composed a longer answer and you can read it at WPC - The Battle For Syria
    http://www.winterpatriot.com/node/946

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  18. Just an fyi for the readers: I left the comments (as above) , including the link to Patrick Cockburn's article, at MOA approx16 hours ago... They have yet to appear.

    The last couple of comments that b did publish, in order to engage in ad hominem attacks against my person, were published rather promptly.

    But Patrick Cockburn's article hasn't shown? I'm watching and waiting.

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  19. Well finally my comments have shown at MOA- Wow, will wonders never cease;)
    And have responded in kind to the commenter named below

    Penny at 33 --

    I share your apprehension about these rumors.
    Posted by: rufus magister | Sep 12, 2015 12:18:21 PM | 71

    Well, I'm glad to know I was not the lone voice of reason in a forest of insane hyperbole

    " There remains no corroboration, but plenty of bluster from the right"

    That's a point I've been trying to get across in a rational manner.

    "Why the hype? Our Nobel Laureate has been dying to get into Syria ever since his "line in the sand" provocation of chemical weapons was nixed by Russian diplomacy and domestic public opinion. This is another attempt to deepen American involvement."

    That is what I suspect also, to justify or deepen American involvement. It's very self serving to hype the Russian involvement at this time And have made that point repeatedly over at my blog. To tread with caution when it comes to unsubstantiated neo con supported gossip.

    Spinworthy left an interesting comment here and at my blog that has raised some interesting issues wrt how the Syrian situation has been used against Russia and how the present day propaganda circus serves that agenda

    Posted by: Penny |

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  20. Great read. Just wondering if you have any thoughts on how the Philippines fits into the picture, more so the Island of Palawan. Seeing US base deals occuring and very oddly Israel and connectors becomming evident, various groups, religious, NGO etc.

    Kevin...

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    1. Hi Kevin:
      I am totally unaware of the situation in the Phillipines- sorry :(
      If you could leave something for me to read that would be good
      Thanks!

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  21. Syria and Russia by Ziad.

    http://syrianperspective.com/2015/09/russian-intervention-in-syria-the-details-a-syrper-exclusive.html

    Your comment at b didn't take to long;)

    I'm going have my first BLT tomorrow with a tomato from the garden. I'm why behind. It's almost whine time.

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    1. jo: bacon and tomato- yummy- I've eaten a ton of those this year- had one this morning! our tomatoes are nearly done- I've sauced and bagged plenty for the winter

      If you don't have bacon, just toasted tomato is a big favourite here also- had one of those yesterday!
      (we get our bacon from the farmers market or from a local place that makes there own- no grocery store crap)

      And if you want to get creative I love grilled cheese, with tomato, throw some fresh basil leaves in the sandwich and eat them down!

      You can use cheddar for that, sure, but mozzarella, and asiago and provolone will also work good!

      because we love cheese with our wine---- :)

      I will get over to Ziad's and have a read thanks for letting me know jo!

      YOu don't just drink California wine do you?
      I know, being in wine country here I drink Ontario wine often, but, still love the imports- had an nice Chilean wine yesterday

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  22. Not sure what to make of all of this. Regarding b, I know he stays away from 9/11 and a lot of other important topics, but I definitely don't consider him a gatekeeper. He's done a lot of good work over the years, but like all of us, sometime he's wrong about something.

    As for Russia in Syria, this is complicated. Just a month ago the Zio-American meme was that Putin has had enough of Syria and was just about ready to toss Assad overboard. Israel and the US could have it via their "ISIS" and JN terrorists.

    Now all of a sudden the meme is Putin is backing Assad to the hilt. What happened? Why did the Zio narrative change 180* overnight?

    I don't profess to know anything. I am pretty sure Russia will never involve itself in the actual fighting. But I find it plausible that Russia would put a marker down that others wont cross. So Russian interceptors and air defense systems (if they are actually in Syria) would be a warning to Turkey and Israel not to attack the SAA. You will notice every time the SAA was gaining momentum, the Israelis would launch an airstrike or Turkey would send in more terrorists mixed with Turkish special forces. So I find it plausible the Russians would do enough to prevent that.

    Now if they are doing that, The western media can't just come out and say "the Russians are just deterring our plans to bomb Syria." They have to make it more sinister. Like Russia is sending a whole army to invade Syria..."Just like Crimea"

    Anyway, that's just my reading. I have no inside source and no proof.

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    1. Hi Lysander:

      We can all be wrong. But with b, it has gone beyond just being mistaken.
      b makes matters worse by engaging in ad hominem attacks rather then even acknowledging the possibility that he may have gotten it wrong?
      That makes me question his credibility further.
      Because I can be wrong, b can be wrong, we can all be wrong trying to assess this stuff- I acknowledge that right in my post. It's not a problem because of the limitations we are facing

      I won't disagree b has written many interesting articles.
      But, I am not entirely convinced he is genuinely working to enlighten as opposed to keeping people tied into a system that no longer serves the interests of all the people.

      Wrt 9/11: Anyone who won't talk 9/11 is gate keeping. Ignoring the many issues with that day and the obvious beneficiaries of that event is gate keeping.

      As for Russia in Syria, I agree this is a complicated topic and yes, I recall that not so long ago, the media was presenting the Putin was done with Assad meme, how quickly that changed

      Lysander did you notice today, two days after the 9/11 anniversary the whole Russia in Syria drama has mostly gone away?
      What a difference a day or two makes!
      I got up this morning and checked all through the msm news/google/yahoo and another news feed I check for the latest. Not one headline let alone 100's and 100's of them as has been going on the past couple of weeks. Instead were back to the refugee crisis as the top news.
      I mentioned that people had to consider the 9/11 anniversary as a reason for pushing the fear- It happens every year.

      btw: I like your reading, and find it quite plausible
      Thanks :)







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  23. Since I've been posting at M of A since 2006, I'm inclined to give be the benefit of a lot of doubt. But time will tell. I can only hope.

    The saker is suggesting that Russian aid to Syria has indeed increased, mainly by giving them better and more weapons than before. Any actual troops on the ground will need to come from Iran or Hizballah. Saker's position is the one most likely to be closest to the truth when it comes to Russia. Russia is unlikely to do any fighting, even from the air, against the terrorists. Because as soon as they hit a family by accident you can be sure that will be all over the news nonstop. US can get away with it a hundred times a day. But Russia can't do it once. And if a Russian plane is shot down "by ISIS" and a russian pilot captured and beheaded in public "by " ISIS" this would be horrible political blowback for Putin back home. So any Russian interceptors or air defense systems that MIGHT be in Syria would only be there to deter NATO, Israel and Turkey and thus protect any force Iran might send to help.

    As for Russian nuclear subs, they could be anywhere. I have no idea where. The US Navy spends enormous resources keeping track of them and are right maybe half the time if that.

    So maybe there is one by Syria. The point to note about the western narrative is that they try to make illigitimate ANY display of Russian power, where is far more frequent and violent displays of Zio-NATO power is as natural as mother's milk. So I stay away from trying to deny accusations that, even if true, are meaningless. Russia has the right to deploy it's subs in any international water. Including by Syria. Denying it only makes their attempt to delegitimise Russian military power seem more plausible. So for me the correct answer to "Ooohhh buga buga!! Russian nuclear subs!!" is so what? Better not fuck with Russia. Consider yourself warned. And also, nothing concentrated the mind of Zio-NATO terrorists like the thought of their own instantaneous destruction that a nuclear sub can deliver. Any crazy in Israel or turkey thinking to attack Russian forces which may or may not be in Syria, has to worry about that sub...even if it isn't there, because he can't be sure it isn't.

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