Monday, October 5, 2015

Brzezinski- Obama Should Retaliate if Russia Does Not Stop Attacking US Assets

From Politico excerpted from Financial Times

If anyone, anyone at all has access to the Financial Times site, please share the article here.
Not the link, just the information in the article. I can't access the FT's piece. :(

The United States should threaten to retaliate if Russia does not stop attacking U.S. assets in Syria, former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in a Financial Times op-ed published Sunday, urging "strategic boldness," with American credibility in the Middle East and the region itself at stake.
Moscow's apparent decision to strike non-Islamic State targets and those of Syrian rebels backed by the Central Intelligence Agency "at best" reflects "Russian military incompetence," and worst, "evidence of a dangerous desire to highlight American political impotence,"

And if Russia continues to pursue non-ISIL targets, the U.S. should retaliate, he added.
"In these rapidly unfolding circumstances the U.S. has only one real option if it is to protect its wider stakes in the region: to convey to Moscow the demand that it cease and desist from military actions that directly affect American assets," he said.
"The Russian naval and air presences in Syria are vulnerable, isolated geographically from their homeland," Brzezinski noted. "They could be 'disarmed' if they persist in provoking the US."
"But, better still, Russia might be persuaded to act with the U.S. in seeking a wider accommodation to a regional problem that transcends the interests of a single state," he added.
Instead of what he calls a "new form of neocolonial domination," the United States, along with China and Russia, must act in concert to protect their mutual interests, he warned.
"China would doubtless prefer to stay on the sidelines. It might calculate that it will then be in a better position to pick up the pieces. But the regional chaos could easily spread northeastward, eventually engulfing central and northeastern Asia. Both Russia and then China could be adversely affected. But American interests and America’s friends — not to mention regional stability — would also suffer. It is time, therefore, for strategic boldness," he concluded.

Also: Russians make closest contact to date with U.S. war planes over Syria

Keeping in mind the Russian are invited and the US planes are not invited.

22 comments:

  1. Mean Mister MustardOctober 6, 2015 at 2:18 AM

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    Russia must work with, not against, America in Syria - Zbigniew Brzezinski

    We should persuade Moscow to act with us in resolving such a problem, writes Zbigniew Brzezinski

    We all know how the first world war started. Individual acts of violence cumulatively set in motion irreversible military operations that lacked overall strategic guidance as well as a larger clarity of purpose. The rest is history: a four-year slaughter conducted for the sake of ambitious goals largely formulated ex post facto by the victorious powers.

    There is still time to avert a painful repetition, this time exploding in the Middle East, and in Syria specifically. I supported President Barack Obama’s initial decision not to use force in the Syrian tragedy. The use of US power to remove President Bashar al-Assad from office — so eagerly advocated by some of our friends in the Middle East — made no sense in the absence of genuine domestic consensus in favour of it either in Syria or in America. Moreover, whether we like it or not, Mr Assad was neither inclined to accommodate Washington’s urgings that he step down nor intimidated by helter-skelter US efforts to organise effective democratic resistance to his rule.

    A breakthrough has since been achieved, however, in the very difficult nuclear negotiations with Iran, in which both the US and Russia co-operated with other leading powers to overcome the obstacles. One might have thought, therefore, that the next phase in coping with the Syrian problem might involve a renewed effort to resolve it, this time with the help of such important signatories as China and Russia.

    Instead, Moscow has chosen to intervene militarily, but without political or tactical co-operation with the US — the principal foreign power engaged in direct, if not very effective, efforts to unseat Mr Assad. In doing so it allegedly launched air attacks at Syrian elements that are sponsored, trained and equipped by the Americans, inflicting damage and causing casualties. At best, it was a display of Russian military incompetence; at worst, evidence of a dangerous desire to highlight American political impotence.

    In either case, the future of the region, and American credibility among the states of the Middle East, are both at stake. In these rapidly unfolding circumstances the US has only one real option if it is to protect its wider stakes in the region: to convey to Moscow the demand that it cease and desist from military actions that directly affect American assets. Russia has every right to support Mr Assad, if it so wishes — but any repetition of what has just transpired should prompt US retaliation.

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    1. Mean Mister MustardOctober 6, 2015 at 4:37 AM

      (2 of 2 again as the first posting got lost, check spam box and delete as reqd)

      The Russian naval and air presences in Syria are vulnerable, isolated geographically from their homeland. They could be “disarmed” if they persist in provoking the US. But, better still, Russia might be persuaded to act with the US in seeking a wider accommodation to a regional problem that transcends the interests of a single state.

      Were that to happen, even some limited American-Russian political and military collaboration on the Middle East might prompt a further positive geopolitical development: constructive engagement on the part of China in containing the dangers of a wider Middle East explosion. Beijing has a significant economic stake in the prevention of a larger Middle East conflict. It should not only be interested in preventing the further spread of chaos but also in increasing its own regional influence.

      France and Britain can no longer play a decisive role in the Middle East. The US is finding it hard to play such a role alone. The region itself is split on religious, political, ethnical and territorial lines, and slipping into widening violence. This calls for outside assistance but not for a new form of neocolonial domination. US power, intelligently and decisively applied in pursuit of a new formula for regional stability, is needed.

      China would doubtless prefer to stay on the sidelines. It might calculate that it will then be in a better position to pick up the pieces. But the regional chaos could easily spread northeastward, eventually engulfing central and northeastern Asia. Both Russia and then China could be adversely affected. But American interests and America’s friends — not to mention regional stability — would also suffer. It is time, therefore, for strategic boldness.

      The writer was national security adviser to Jimmy Carter, former US president

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    2. Thanks, I couldn't figure out how to remove it for here

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    3. Thanks MMM- it was behind the paywall or whatever and I'm not paying or registering or whatever else they want
      Much appreciated- now we get to all read in full the rantings of yet another psychopath- how we love to allow psychos to lead us

      and jo, thanks too

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  2. This is like the criminal that turns up in court and presumes his rightful seat is behind the judge's bench. The presumption of any authority or jurisdiction in the Syrian situation is verging on megalomania.

    This guy needs to be put back on his meds . . . and fast.

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    1. "The presumption of any authority or jurisdiction in the Syrian situation is verging on megalomania"

      It's amazing isn't it?

      Oh and the fact that it's openly admitted this is a CIA destabilization..
      I couldn't ask for better validation of my years of work at this blog on Syria, now could I james?

      After all it sure seemed I caught the first scent of destabilization in 2011.

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    2. "After all it sure seemed I caught the first scent of destabilization in 2011."

      And I can attest to that with an article of mine from June 2011 :)

      Syria Next?

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    3. It's even older than that. The assassination of Rafic Hariri in 2005 was the start of Syria's plight. At that time I followed wrh a lot and Michael Rivero made it quite clear that it was an USrael thing done to villify Syria. We should not forget that the list of 7 countries to overthrow was already old hat at that time.

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    4. Agreed, Gallier, 'spot on' as usual. But I think Penny was referring to when the destabilisation got actively underway inside Syria and Turkey's direct involvement in it.

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  3. Oh, okay, they dont care anymore: "YES they are our assets!"! Talking about american assets, is it me or has anyone else noticed there are virtually no new djihado-vids on the net, which they used put online on a daily basis, either to show off how sick they can be or to record their Allahouackbar barrage along with some footage of their destroyed assets por partners in crime. Except for the first two days of the strike (including the whitesoros gaffe) there has been no vid. Be it the FreeSyrs or the Isils! I mean it just seemed to completely stop! Then there might be a connection Russia, of course, but a very jammed one. I thought about an article ive read about Russians having placed frequency jamming units in Syria, which can interrupt any radio frequence on veteranstoday http://goo.gl/Wo11EX (short url). Could it be, that brezinkskis assets are being completely isolated? We live in tumultuous times! But i hope for the better! I had almost given up on Russia, when ISIS just went to Palmyra in one streak, thinking, that even if they werent engaged they had the intelligence which they could have helped the Syrian army with. Now I think the Russians have waited for so long to avoid any traps and to make sure absolutely everything was in place, cuz they have a high stake, if they lose personnel in Syria! Anyway, is anyone familiar with next generation jamming devices which could completely shut down radio in selected areas (via satelite for example)?

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    1. I do think the assets are in a heap of trouble, bellingcat is out spinning Russian use of cluster munitions though the commenters at his disinfo site challenged his assessment

      Russia likely had to wait, or chose to wait until the US and Israel thought they were going to pull this off and then they acted
      I don't know anything about the jamming equipment- sorry

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    2. "I don't know anything about the jamming equipment- sorry"

      Hi Pen,
      here is an article which talks about an incident where the Russians disabled US defence systems. What is notable is that it is written from a US perspective. Of course, the author tries to minimise the humiliation by saying the Aegis system works better with multiple nodes (ships in this case) but the meaning is clear. The US military is VERY vulnerable to Russian attack because of their ability to block all electronic systems.

      It can be seen clearly that the US have been bluffing with no cards in their hand and the Russians are now ready to call them on it.

      Russian Su -24 scores off against the American "USS Donald Cook"
      Read more: http://in.sputniknews.com/indian.ruvr.ru/2014_04_21/Russian-Su-24-scores-off-against-the-American-USS-Donald-Cook-5786/


      If the Russians can fit this equipment into a fighter jet, they can certainly fit it into any vehicle. armoured or not!

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  4. The only reason anyone ever took Brzezinski seriously is because he advocated war. Anyone who advocates war in a semi-coherent manner is guaranteed a good paying job in the US elite.

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    1. yes, the warmongers get all the airtime perception management etc

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  5. Penny I'm so glad you all up north have now joined bat-shit-crazy Amerika. What great neighbors Amerika has;)

    http://shadowproof.com/2015/10/06/no-more-nice-canada-c-51-anti-terrorism-law-a-sign-of-a-growing-police-state/

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    1. It's horrid here, wish more Canadians would realize that

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  6. G'day Penny and Pilgrims,

    Thank you for all your work Penny.
    It is nice to see the light at the end of the tunnel for Syrians and for the non-Talmudic rest of humanity.
    Even before he was replaced with a long line of synthetics and doubles Zbigniew Brzezinski couldn't speak truth. His pretended ignorance of the Tribes' machinations to create WWI and the sly assertion that the "victorious powers" formulated their goals "ex post facto" (never mind the Balfour Declaration) is just more Judaic propaganda. I look forward to the day when we don't have to see or hear these historical lies repeated day and night by Judaic hacks and bought and paid for commentators. Endless regurgitation of Judaic bullshit may confuse ignorant people but it doesn't change the underlying facts of history.
    I find it especially irritating that global media keep publishing puerile bullshit assuming that the US has the right to change the government of sovereign Syria or any other sovereign nation. Interfering in Syria's internal affairs is a very serious crime! Pretending that the US or other non-Syrians have a right to evict the current Syrian government is ridiculous as well as criminal. Pretending that the US only wants to remove Assad when it is actually on record wanting to eliminate the entire Syrian government in order to replace it with US stooges is also irritating. ANY discussion in these terms presumes that the audience is composed of puerile morons. The Anglo-USraelis and Europeans have NO business interfering in Syria's internal affairs. NONE! And suggesting that they have mercenary military ('moderate') terrorist assets there that need to be protected is an admission of committing crimes against humanity and international law.

    I agree with James that the US is bluffing with no cards in their hand and the Russians are now ready to call them on it. I list some additional articles that reinforce the view that the Russians (along with the Iranians) have total technical dominance over the US as regards electronic warfare. See eg:

    Russian E-Warriors Render Aircraft Carriers Useless. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Enviro...-Useless.shtml

    What frightened the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea? - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...lack-Sea.shtml

    Pentagon: Russian fighter jet repeatedly flew over US destroyer in Black Sea. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...lack-Sea.shtml

    Terrified US Aircraft Carrier Flees From Russian Subs To UK Safety. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...K-Safety.shtml

    How Long Would the US Navy Survive in a Shooting War? See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_U...ting-War.shtml

    Iran, Plasma Energy Technologies and Buzzing Donald Duck. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...ald-Duck.shtml

    XYZ: What would happen if the Russian army really invaded Ukraine. See: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...-Ukraine.shtml

    Iranian military official: ‘We laugh’ when US threatens to attack - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...o-attack.shtml

    80th Knowledge Seekers Workshop Sept 24 2015. - http://abundanthope.net/pages/Environment_Science_69/80th-Knowledge-Seekers-Workshop-Sept-24-2015.shtml

    Peace and Blessings,
    Ron
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    1. "I find it especially irritating that global media keep publishing puerile bullshit assuming that the US has the right to change the government of sovereign Syria or any other sovereign nation. Interfering in Syria's internal affairs is a very serious crime!"

      Exactly, Ron. Everything the US and their vassal states do in Syria is illegal and a war crime. All the leaders of these govts are war criminals. The facts and their own admissions testify to this.

      Arguing about "moderates' is to derail the discussion from the blatant and obvious war crimes. I've just watched RT's Crosstalk and Peter Lavelle has just got sucked into that same dead-end argument again

      I can imagine that Lavelle and his producers have these apologists for criminals on to create a 'controversy' for entertainment purposes. But this important issue should not be treated as entertainment.

      Ron, your links don't work

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  7. Thanks James,

    Sorry about the links.
    Perhaps the best solution is to go to my reproduction of the Brzezinski post as the links to all the relevant related articles there work.
    Brzezinski- Obama Should Retaliate if Russia Does Not Stop Attacking US Assets - http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_US_History_108/Brzezinski--Obama-Should-Retaliate-if-Russia-Does-Not-Stop-Attacking-US-Assets.shtml
    :)
    Ron
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    1. Hi Ron
      thanks for stopping by here- I truly did mean to get back here and it just didn't happen- After two days all comments have to be moderated- I've had difficulties with trolls so it's a way to manage the problem. James will be back I'm sure and I will check that out too!

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    2. Thanks for replying and the link, Ron. Fascinating reading. I've been amazed at the continuing chest thumping by the US in light of their complete vulnerability but I guess they just don't know what else to do!

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