Thursday, November 26, 2015

Carving Turkey After a NATO Roasting- Claims vs Reality

Yup, it’s long! But this is a subject I’ve spent a lot of time on. Reading, researching &  reckoning for more then a year now...Still I've a bit more to to tell. Long term readers are aware that more then a year ago, I started a series of posts on the impending NATO destruction/destabilization of Turkey.  
Yes, that is correct, more then a year has passed since I posted :Kurd/ ISIS Symbiosis- The impending destruction of Turkey.  &  Pt.2- Kurd/ ISIS Symbiosis- The impending destruction of Turkey  Believe me, before writing that and the subsequent follow up the idea rolled around in my head for months! Afterwards there were dozens and dozens of post on the topic. Just a few more relinks:
Kurdistan- NATO's New Southern Flank

Pt3- Destabilizing Turkey & Kurd/ISIS Symbiosis- ISIS takes border towns

 Israel and the US love the Kurds  & ISIS/Kurd Symbiosis: Conquer Istanbul

As time passes my theory looks to have been correct. While I may not have or have had every detail nailed down and really how could I, the basic premise is solid. In every way Turkey is being set on the global game table for carving up. Many knives are being sharpened. For the ordinary Turkish citizen, things are about to get much worse!

Shooting Down a Russian SU-24

The shoot down of the Russian plane was yet another cut in Turkey, the nations states torso.
Torso referencing the outline of the nation. Or the border. NATO being the slicer and dicer.
Refresh or read for the first time?  NATO bows out on Turkey. Turkey & Article 4

The op ed linked below from RT demonstrates that Turkey & Erdogan are being set up to take the fall for what I believe was a US orchestrated shoot down of the Russian plane.

RT- 'NATO didn’t buy into Turkish insanity'
In that headline, we see two classic propaganda tactics being employed- Turkish insanity- ad hominem & transference- NATO pushing it’s global war making goals onto Turkey
“I was immediately concerned that NATO might buy into the insanity being demonstrated by Turkey,”Johnson told RT.

“Fortunately, the reports coming out of the NATO meeting indicate that several of the NATO ministers were asking Turkey: ‘What in God’s name were you thinking? There were other ways of handling this without firing,’” he added.
Yes, fortunately cooler heads prevailed. As if ! Can it get more obvious? Turkey is being demonized for the very action that was ok’d by the US/NATO. It is not believable that NATO occupied Turkey shot down the plane without the OK of the head of NATO- the US

Turkey’s Relations with NATO
Ever since our NATO membership in 1952, the North Atlantic Alliance has played a central role in Turkey’s security and contributed to its integration with the Euro-Atlantic community. Turkey, in return, has successfully assumed its responsibilities in defending the common values of the Alliance.
 Turkey also supports NATO’s transformation efforts, which are crucial for NATO’s success. It is therefore making substantial contributions to the NATO Response Force. A Force Command at high readiness level is established in Istanbul
So forth and so on- Read it for yourself

NATO bases in Turkey

Putin Warns After NATO Occupied Turkey Shot Down Russian Fighter Jet:  Putin was quoted word for word. The language employed  made it clear he was fully aware this was a NATO operation.

Lavrov understood this was some sort of provocation:  Lavrov: Downing of SU-24 Looks Like a Planned Provocation

Erdogan? - he’s justifying this incident to the domestic crowd, because frankly, there is nothing else he can do. This set up makes him appear irrational. He just won an election and he needs to appear a leader. And he isn't looking like leadership material. Perfect for destabilizing a nation!  Erdogan is on the defensive. And out of the loop completely! His claim regarding two planes is  perplexing?

"We knew there were two aircraft. One aircraft went back into Syria, and the second one was still in Turkish airspace and it was shot down by our aircraft," Erdogan told CNN.”

He’s been saying that from the get go?  Is this the information that was provided to him? Doesn't this suggest to us that Erdogan was and is completely out of the information loop? Particularly when one considers the fact that Obama didn't bother to speak to him immediately afterwards, but, was going to get around to it!
Obama said: "Turkey, like every country, has a right to defend its territory and its air space," adding he expected to speak to Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan in coming days.
Smart money suggests he didn't even bother to talk to Erdogan- Why would he? The shoot down pretty much tells us all who is in charge of Turkey's military. And it isn't Erdogan.

Independent Turkey?

All that background finally waded through let's look together at some nonsensical claims I actually read on line. Via main stream and so called alternative regurgitator sites

Claim: Turkey is in bed with Islamists 

Reality:  NATO & NATO affiliated Turkey are cooperating with Islamists. And Kurds.

Claim: Turkey/Erdogan & Muslim Brotherhood- in bed.

Reality:  Muslim Brotherhood is a British intelligence creation/ integrated into US intelligence.
Muslim Brotherhood is also an elitist globalist organization

Making Erdogan what, a puppet of the elites? A sycophant?  I’m asking the people who make the claims?. If Erdogan is in league with MB, as alleged, MB being  an apparatus of the Atlantacist intelligence operations then what does that make Erdogan?  If all those claims are true?

One thing I know for certain, Erdogan is expendable- Same as all others who have been used and tossed aside previously.

Muslim Brotherhood :

Britain and the Muslim Brotherhood: Collaboration during the 1940s and 1950s

 By 1942 Britain had definitely begun to finance the Brotherhood. On 18 May British embassy officials held a meeting with Egyptian Prime Minister Amin Osman Pacha, in which relations with the Muslim Brotherhood were discussed and a number of points were agreed. One was that ‘subsidies from the Wafd [Party] to the Ikhwani el Muslimin [Muslim Brotherhood] would be discreetly paid by the [Egyptian] government and they would require some financial assistance in this matter from the [British] Embassy.’

-Eric Draitser- Unmasking the Muslim Brotherhood: Syria, Egypt, and Beyond

In examining the utterly insidious role that the Muslim Brotherhood is playing in Syria, one must begin with an understanding of the historical relationship between the Muslim Brotherhood and Western imperialism.  The organization was founded by Hassan al-Banna in 1928 with the intention of reestablishing a purer form of Islam as had existed centuries before.  However, this was merely the religious veneer that was created to mask the political intentions of the organization.  As explained in the Mother Jones article entitled What is the Muslim Brotherhood and Will It Take Over Egypt?, the author explains that, “The Muslim Brotherhood served as a battering ram against nationalists and communists, despite the Brothers’ Islam-based anti-imperialism, the group often ended up making common cause with the colonial British.
 Muslim Brotherhood- Part of the Globalist blight on humanity, indeed!

The Muslim Brotherhood has a global footprint, with the UK and Ireland serving as important hubs for international Muslim Brotherhood leadership activity.”

They also said that “members of the UAE branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Islah [whose members have been among those convicted in Abu Dhabi yesterday] are active in Muslim Brotherhood networks in the UK and Ireland.”
Go back to my 2013 post and take a look at the linked PDF's

And for good measure!

Devil's Game: How the US unleashed fundamentalist Islam -

Claim: Turkey is shipping ISIS oil

Reality- Britain is facilitating ISIS oil sales
Reality: Pipelines that transit through Turkey are being used, but, this does not imply implicit  knowledge by the Turkish state.
Reality- The Kurds are also transiting oil through Turkey’s Ceyhan pipeline 
Conclusion: Pipelines don’t discern. Complicity between Turkey and ISIS is unprovable

Britain's ties to ISIS oil sales

Key allies in the US and UK led war on Islamic State (ISIS) are covertly financing the terrorist movement according to senior political sources in the region. US and British oil companies are heavily invested in the murky geopolitical triangle sustaining ISIS’ black market oil sales.
The Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) in Iraq and Turkish military intelligence (NATO affiliated) have both supported secret ISIS oil smuggling operations and even supplied arms to the terror group, according to Kurdish, Iraqi and Turkish officials.
Crude Oil and ISIS

 I would love that everyone read the above linked pdf- But if you don’t wish to read all 16 pages please go to the conclusions drawn and read there. Pg 12 of 16

“The authors of this paper would like to make it clear from the very beginning that this has not been the case of a ‘smoking gun’. The evidence  has been  inconclusive.  But even  if volumes of ISIS crude found their way, beyond any reasonable doubt, to the international crude oil  markets  via the Ceyhan  terminal,  this fact  would not conclusively  point  to collusion between the Turkish authorities and the shadow network of smugglers, let alone ISIS operatives"
 Who is shipping this oil from Iraq into Turkey- The Kurds
Iraq has warned buyers of crude oil that any unauthorized oil purchases made from its territory could be used to fund activities by the extremist militant group, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

In a statement on Wednesday, Iraq’s Oil Ministry said: “International purchasers [of crude oil] and other market participants should be aware that any oil exports made without the authorization of the Ministry of Oil may contain crude oil originating from fields under the control of [ISIS]. The only seller of Iraqi crude oil authorized by the Ministry of Oil is [Iraq’s state-owned oil company] SOMO.”
 Speaking on condition of anonymity, an informed source told Asharq Al-Awsat that ISIS was indeed selling Iraqi crude from captured refineries and oilfields. He said the crude was being sold to Kurdish traders in the border regions straddling Iraq, Iran and Syria, and was being shipped to Pakistan where it was being sold “for less than half its original price.” He added that many oilfields and refineries in the country remained outside government control.
 Since May, the Kurds have taken matters into their own hands and sold almost 40m barrels of oil to traders via the Turkish port of Ceyhan, all shipped via pipeline, providing Erbil with vital funds as they battle Islamist militants and shelter hundreds of thousands of refugees.
Syrian Kurds earning millions in Oil Revenue- stealing Syria's oil

“Syrian Kurdistan has been exporting its oil from the Rmeilan refinery using a pipeline built by the Baath party government,” Iraqi Kurdish Rudaw news reported Monday.

“[The oil is then] transferred to the Alyuka refinery in the [Iraqi Kurdish] Zumar area, from there to Fishkhabour, and then on to Turkey’s Ceyhan port.”

A “well informed source” told the agency that “the revenue from importing this oil exceeds $10 million” a month, a massive boon for the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) that has overseen a dramatic expansion of territory as Kurdish troops have rolled back ISIS in recent months.
Arab Weekly- Syria's Oil and Gas Wealth being Shared by Kurds and ISIS- 
Yet more of that KurdIShIS symbiosis!
Syria’s oil and gas wealth is being shared by ISIS and Kurdish armed groups, which heavily rely on it to finance war efforts.

At least 60% of Syria’s oil installations are in the east and north-east, in the areas around Raqqa, the capital of ISIS’s self-proclaimed caliphate, Deir ez-Zor on the Iraqi border and the Kurdish-held area of Al-Hasakah. These have been exploited by Islamist opposition groups and Kurdish militias for two years now.

Syria’s oil and gas wealth is being shared by ISIS and Kurdish armed groups, which heavily rely on it to finance war efforts, according to an oil worker in al-Hasakah who spoke to The Arab Weekly on condition of anonymity. “The Kurds control 274 fields, producing some 40,000 bar-rels of oil per day (bpd) in addition to 397,000 cubic metres of gas,” he said.

ISIS tightened its grip on the fields in the southern part of al-Hasakah after evicting the Free Syrian Army and other Islamic opposition groups. Some of the largest oil and gas fields — Shadadi, Marcada and al- Hol — are in ISIS-controlled terri-tory.

According to an oil employee who asked to be identified as JJ, some 419 oil fields producing more than 35,000 bpd and 67 gas fields with a daily production of 1 million cubic metres are controlled by ISIS.
How do all the genius's out there think that "ISIS" transfers the oil out of Syria, past the Kurds who control the land just north of them? Think about it! KurdIShIS, that's how!

Here's NATO dumping all over Turkey:

I found this article whilst searching for information after the Paris incident

German General: NATO Article 5 won’t apply to Turkey’s buffer zone in Syria  

Turkey will not get a that buffer zone- That's been discussed here way back- NATO doesn't want a safe haven for refugees to impede their creation of Greater Israel/Kurdistan or cut Europe any slack!
 Interestingly, almost exactly a year ago on Oct. 8, 2014, Germany’s former Chief of General Staff and NATO chairman of the Military Committee, General Harald Kujat (ret.), criticized that Turkey is trying to drag NATO into a Syrian war for its own parochial interests.[2]
In an interview on “Anne Will” ARD-TV broadcast, and stating almost the same words that Davutoglu said on CNN, General Kujat said “look, that’s what Turkey wants to provoke [NATO Article 5].  Therefore it keeps saying ‘we can’t do that alone, others have to participate.’”
The former NATO general recommended removing Patriot batteries from Turkey to send a signal, and in August 2015 they were removed.[3]

The general continues and I am quoting him verbatim:
He continued bluntly: Turkey basically wants to drag NATO into this situation because the actual goal of Turkey is to neutralize AssadISIS’s actions and what’s happening to the Kurds are subsidiary…and it has to be clearly said that an ally who behaves like this doesn’t deserve the protection of this alliance, an ally who doesn’t intervene for protection in a such tragic situation doesn’t deserve protection himself.”
Claim: Turkey and especially Erdogan wants regime change in Syria?

Reality: NATO/Israel want regime change in Syria- No one has more to gain from pushing out the Assad government then NATO/Kurds/Israel. - To all the Erdogan/Turkey (nation state) finger pointers I ask: Where is the benefit to either Erdogan or the nation of Turkey?
And why are you promoting the NATO destabilization of Turkey narrative?

Claim: Turkey supports ISIS
Reality: NATO occupied Turkey supports ISIS. 
The nation state of Turkey has nothing to gain in supporting the mythical"ISIS" other then the disdain of the so called global community

Lots of nonsensical claims all around. Nothing to substantiate them. NATO is clearly set to carve up Turkey- More war and death will ensue.


I want to thank both james @ wpcGreen Crow.
Two bloggers who at least attempted to understand my theory and not ridicule, attack or deride me for having it

They have both serendipitously  written very complimentary pieces to this post and I feel truly blessed to have these two open minded folk in my circle of bloggers :)

james- Je Suis (Un) Turkey

GC- Two Patsies---Then, and Now


  1. Hi Pen,
    this is a really good round-up. I think you showed exactly how the Kurds have to be involved with ISIS to export the oil. From there the cast of characters grows to a long list of opportunists and terrorists profiting handsomely.

    It's all about money and power. That's all psychopaths believe in. Religions and ideologies that they promote are just scams to hide behind and to pull in the gullible.

    Thanks for the shout-out :)

    1. I'm wondering if there is more to Russia's breaking off of all military ties with Turkey. Russia seems to be in the process of an orderly economic withdrawal from Turkey, as well.
      Perhaps they see the 'carve-up of Turkey' all too plainly and figure the best retaliation is to do nothing and watch from a distance the US create havoc there?

    2. hey james
      you are welcome
      I haven't really been able to look into exactly what Turkey has going on with regard to this incident- Or what Russia has going on either?

      But, as of this moment I don't think Russia is going to do much in the way of retaliatory response

      The Kurds are and would have to be involved with ISIS in that oil trade, there is virtually no other way for ISIS to get their oil into the pipeline that originates in Iraq

  2. I see your points on Turkey.. But again we must remember that Turkey has always been controlled by the Jews sine the Jewish "Young Turks" of the 1910's and their seizure of that nation... And there is of course some valid reasoning that Erdogan himself is also a crypto....

    I must applaud your findings, for they do make a lot of sense...And sadly it will be the Turkish people themselves that will suffer....

    1. Hey North

      Yah, I'm familiar with the young turks and the suspicion of Erdogan- but I'm focusing on Turkey the nation state vs the occupied by NATO state
      and Turkey is NATO occupied, just like we are here in Canada

      And yes it will be the Turkish people that suffer- same as it has been the Syrians- It's tragic

  3. james and north be sure to come back for a piece I will be posting that is a 'piece de resistance' for regarding the Kurds and their Israeli pals
    in the context of the cleansing of Arabs from the ME, pushing them into Europe
    later today- not sure when
    cause today is my birthday!

    1. Happy Birthday, Pen! I hope you and Dave have a great day :)

    2. Thanks james :)
      it will be low key, but, will include wine

  4. So if erdogan is AHMET DAVUTOĞLU of interest. Many reports of division

    Istanbul hosted two meetings of the Muslim Brotherhood after the 2013 Egyptian military coup, for which Davutoğlu faced criticism for hosting since it would damage ties with the new regime of Abdel Fattah el-Sisi.”

    Would the leak about the Kurd smuggling routes off Malta be aimed at the Barzani and the Erdogan relationship. Choke off revenue spur more protests?

    1. You know I wondered about Davutoglu and Erdogan?
      Sometimes there did appear to be discord between them. Couldnt' put my finger on it, but, it was there..

      "Would the leak about the Kurd smuggling routes off Malta be aimed at the Barzani and the Erdogan relationship. Choke off revenue spur more protests?"

      Quite possibly, because I've covered in a couple of posts that Barzani has fallen out of favour- not a team player
      So, like Erdogan he will have to go

  5. Hey Penny!

    Have you seen this?

    He's been writing about the plan for a kurdistan for a few years too.

    Also, did you see this?

    Finally, Happy Birthday! I hope you have a great day!

    1. Hi Gwen:

      I went to look at that, left a comment, but it didn't post?
      Comment below


      Well, well, well I'm not alone in getting viciously attacked by the Israeli/Kurd lobby trolls- If you post anywhere else they follow you around too

      They've giving up coming to my place, cause I won't allow their garbage through.

      And isn't it interesting that places like Zero Hedge, Moon of Alabama and others never speak of the NATO creation "Kurdistan"?

      Don't get to hung up on Barzani- he's headed out.
      His usefulness is over- Him and Erdogan had gotten along quite well and well with Erdogan and Turkey being knifed there is no need for Barzani
      Don't know if you're aware but the PKK has been backing protests in Iraqi Kurdish areas, violent protests- Goran group"

      Haven't seen the Voltaire article as of yet, but, will go and read it
      And thanks for the birthday wishes- :)

  6. Thanks for your time on the this, Amazing.

    Happy Birthday also and Cheers to that whine.

  7. Hi jo,

    I put tons of work into every post here, but, this one took me hours and hours of digging, writing, thinking etc

    thanks for the bday wishes- I'm enjoying a nice spanish wine at the moment

    a big red, always my fave and a darn good one too
    pricier but what the hell, for a bday- why not!

  8. Penny,
    not been over very often, and lo and behold I fly by on your Birthday !!

    Congrats and have a glass of wine on me ;)

    1. thanks Karin
      I will have a glass of wine too you, also!
      cheers to everyone!

  9. Happy birthday for yesterday penny! Have to say how grateful I am for all your hard work and spot-on analysis, thanks a million!
    That's one of our favourite wines too, you can't go far wrong with a Rioja!

    1. Thanks Sam! :)
      And double thanks!

      And very much in agreement with regards to the Spanish wines- Awesome stuff-
      (though I like the Italian wines, too and their are some darn fine Greek wines)
      Being in Wine country, Ontario- I have to tip my hat to some fine wines close to home!

      Cheers Sam!