Monday, July 18, 2016

Turkey's Coup- Pt 1: Contradictory Claims and Egypt's role

I’ve spent the last few days reading and thinking. Then reading and thinking some more. Then reading and thinking some more about the coup attempt in Turkey:

I've noticed some interesting but  contradictory claims that don't correlate

Claim: Erdogan is an authoritarian dictator, strong man aka “the sultan”

Contradiction: Why does an iron fisted dictator,  autocrat aka strong man aka sultan need a coup to consolidate power? Power we’ve been repeatedly told, he already has.

Claim: Erdogan faked the coup

Contradiction: If Erdogan faked the coup then why would he need to round up anyone at all?
Wouldn’t they have been at his service anyway? See above regarding dictator, autocrat etc

Ah those pesky contradictions!

Claims: A false flag! Instigated by Erdogan?  Why is the media actually considering/promoting the false flag theory of Erdogan faking a coup?

Contradiction: A false flag narrative is absolutely contrary to the usual  msm discourse! Which would be to openly ridicule such claims as “conspiracy theory”

Those contradictions bother me. Quite a bit.

To support a false flag narrative you have to:

Ignore the wider geo- political happenings. 

Ignore the history of  military coups in Turkey
Ignore the destabilization on going within Turkey’s border.
Ignore the incessant media demonization of Erdogan
Ignore the rapprochement  with Russia
Ignore the conciliatory attitude of recent months toward Syria
Ignore the good relations between Turkey and Iran.

If I haven’t thought of them all, please, leave some suggestions

You can make a case for Erdogan being better then a coup government and that explaining the why of the people came out? Can’t say as I blame them if that is the case!

This is for all the coup supporters on the net and in the media!

Those who actually promote a coup as being necessary for Turkey aka the right thing.  And lament it’s failure..... You who moan and groan about the alleged excessive clamp down taking place present day.  Let’s talk excessive clampdown in the 1980 coup

The coup rounded up members of both the left and right for trial with military tribunals. Within a very short time, there were 250,000[8] to 650,000 people detained. Among the detainess, 230,000 were tried, 14,000 were stripped of citizenship, and 50 were executed.[16] In addition, hundreds of thousands of people were tortured, and thousands are still missing.  A total of 1,683,000 people were blacklisted.[17] Apart from the militants killed during shootings, at least four prisoners were legally executed immediately after the coup; the first ones since 1972, while in February 1982 there were 108 prisoners condemned to capital punishment.[9] Among the prosecuted were Ecevit, Demirel, Türkes, and Erbakan, who were incarcerated and temporarily suspended from politics.
 One notable victim of the hangings was a 17-year-old Erdal Eren, who said he looked forward to it in order to avoid thinking of the torture he had witnessed.[18]”

I had mentioned in yesterday's post,  Ally's Family in Turkey is Safe! Good news. Breaking News Updates! , that we were going to talk about Egypt's bizarre behaviour during and after the coup:

**Egypt's media openly promoted a successful Turkish coup in their media:

* Coup in Turkey succeeded and still ongoing
Despite confirmed news sources proving the failure of the military coup in Turkey, several private and state-owned Egyptian media outlets have insisted that the military coup attempt executed on Friday evening against Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan ended in success.
A number of privately owned media outlets and prominent media figures operating popular talk shows did not hesitate to show their support for the military coup in a way that clearly violates objective reporting.
Several reporters, instead of displaying real news in an unbiased way, convinced Egyptians that the coup succeeded and urged viewers and listeners to follow and believe only this news, and not any other media.
*Egypt Media Jumps the Gun on Turkey Coup
Egyptians woke up today to find some newspapers announcing the Turkish military's ouster of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, even as the strongman loathed by Cairo quashed a coup attempt.
"The Turkish army topples Erdogan," declared a red banner on the front page of the state's flagship Al-Ahram newspaper.
"Recep Tayyip vanishes," said the subhead.
"Army controls Turkey and deposes Erdogan," the private Al-Watan announced, labelling yesterday night's attempted coup by an army faction as "military disobedience".

Why did Egypt's media do that? Did they have inside information? Was Egypt's military involved?  It sure appears they had some insider/prior knowledge. Doesn't that make you think of 9/11 when BBC reported building # 7 had collapsed when it hadn't??  

*Afterwards Egypt blocked a UN resolution condemning the coup:

Egypt blocks UNSC condemnation of coup attempt in Turkey

The United Nations Security Council failed on Saturday to condemn the coup attempt in Turkey after Egypt objected to a statement that called on all parties to "respect the democratically elected government of Turkey," diplomats said, APA reports quoting AA.

The U.S.-drafted statement also expressed grave concern over the situation in Turkey, urged the parties to show restraint, avoid any violence or bloodshed, and called for an urgent end to the crisis and return to rule of law.

Statements by the 15-member Security council have to be agreed by consensus.

Diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Egypt argued that the U.N. Security Council was not in a position to determine whether a government had been democratically elected.
Not to mention France looking like they had prior knowledge mentioned  here:
France on Wednesday said it had closed its embassy in the Turkish capital Ankara and its consulate in Istanbul until further notice for security reasons, after cancelling events to mark the July 14 Bastille Day holiday.

What annoys me, is that I saw the news on the 13th of France closing its ambassy and recalling its personnel from Turkey
I'm working on a part 2 


  1. Penny, please check this out:
    Sibel Edmonds is Turkish and explains exactly what is going on. I think it's safe to say that Erdogan knew this was coming and didn't say anything, therefore, capitalizing off the failure and using it to hunt out the Gulenists. Like you said, there was prior knowledge of this coup from the Russians but also the Turkish intelligence. There is also some evidence that Erdogan had lists of the people he wanted to sack before the coup. Don't think he did it, but he knew that it was coming. It is interesting that you point out that the Egyptian media was saying that Erdogan was gone. It was the same with the Western media. However, the Russian/Iranian media were all saying that the coup had failed. Bit of wishful hoping on both sides? Shows who was really behind this! But why do you think the Egyptians would back this coup? And what do you think will happen in the future? Now I am beginning to see that a lot more of the 'alt' media is becoming aware that the coup happened straight after the Russian-Turkish detente.

    1. Ally:
      "But why do you think the Egyptians would back this coup?"

      Turkey and Egypt's Militaries are unique I see previously I referred to them as brothers in arms:

      " Field Marshal Tantawi asked for a translation of Turkey’s 1982 constitution, which both endows Turkish officers with wide-ranging powers to police the political arena and curtails the power of civilian leaders. In the June 17 decree, the military hedged against a Morsi victory by approximating the tutelary roleAs a result, President Morsi does not control the budget; has no foreign policy, defense, or national security function; and has been stripped of the president’s duty as commander-in-chief of the armed forces, meaning he has no control over military personnel. In addition, having dissolved parliament in a move that has no legal basis, the SCAF now also functions as Egypt’s legislature. Finally, the military will be able to veto articles of a new constitution"

      here too-

      perhaps there is info in those two older posts

      " And what do you think will happen in the future?"

      If the civilian government does a in depth house cleaning.. things should improve eventually but not in the near future NATO aka US/Israel/ UK will resist that house cleaning- they had an agenda- they wish to see it through

      If the civilian government doesn't clean house well enough- everything will surely get worse

    2. Thanks Penny, it's almost 4 AM here and I am still up thinking and reading. It seems that things will get worse, not better. We will see a colour revolution taking place very soon.

    3. I said repeatedly on other blogs that you can't arrest 9000 people in just three days if the lists were not prepared well in advance.
      If you love 'conspiracy theories', then you may suspect that Erdogan and Putin 'conspired' together to bring about that situation, but Erdogan had to dissemble, because of the very real pro-American, pro-NATO, pro-Israel cabal (the Gulenistas, as it appears now) who were really after him.
      In February 2015 things were still looking like this:
      "But all that did not prevent President Putin receiving a very warm welcome in Turkey late last year. The connection may be personal. For in several ways, the leaders of Russia and Turkey are very similar men. Both are given to elaborate conspiracy theories about the West. Both are partial to a grandiose palace. Mr Erdogan has, famously, moved into a new residence that is larger than Versailles. As well as the Kremlin, Mr Putin enjoys the use of a vast residence in Sochi. The two leaders have similar views on gay rights – or the lack of them." If you cut the crap about the gay rights and palaces, and put instead the South Stream and the perspective of Turkey to join the EEU and SCO, you get a clearer picture. This trend had to be sabotaged at any costs. The downing of the Russian plane was IMHO forced on Erdogan in order to bring about a Russo-Turkish clash. I distinctly remember (I can't pinpoint it) immediate rumors putting the blame on Davutoglu. I was almost sure that his replacement would bring a change in the Syrian quagmire, which was not at all to the liking of the Americans. Besides, Turkey was intractable in regards to the big project of creating the Israel satellite state of Kurdistan.

    4. Ally,
      I listened to and watched Sibel Edmonds & James Corbett's video connecting the dots on the "coup" late last evening. Superb analysis. Great that you brought it to everyone's attention. Corbett report has been on the situation in Turkey for a couple of months.

  2. Remember a few years ago erdogan at height of troubles in Egypt gave a sweeping speech iin Egypt promoting Turkish style democracy for Egypt which caused a sharp rebuke. The "junta" is none too happy to see erdogan and his AKP brotherhood, like the Syria unveiling, be discarded. Also look at turkey role in Somalia and that alleged bombing of a plane last year en route to istanbul. Turkey like Israel deeply involved in east Africa. Aside the eruptions just dispatched to iisrael to restart the peace process having declared the Sinai being close to cleansed of militants. Gaza border crossing opening of late as well with hamas talking elections. Egypt has reiterated it will honor the Israeli gas deals though Israel is accelerating it's drill plans.

    Also keep in mind that strange route the egyption president plane took on moscow visit around Turkish airspace.

    1. yah, I remember that big u turn el sisi took over turkish airspace- what the heck was that about?

      Just prior to the coup attempt recall that Turkey had intel on Egyptian military meeting with PKK?

      Definitely some hostility between the two nations and leaders

    2. Also keep in mind that the Egyption military may have a Turkey problem also. Recall the Egyption general who was in DC when the Spring kicked off? He has been retired but waiting in the wings per reports for questionable sources,

      None other than Sami Anan (ymious)
      Sami Anan: Former chief of staff with ambition to replace Egypt's Sisi

      "Anan first became recognised as an important player in Egyptian security and politics in 1997 when a terrorism attack in Luxor killed 62 people, hitting Egyptian tourism hard. As head of air defence in Luxor at the time, Anan took control of securing the city and supporting the police to help the victims."


      The Pentagon’s man

      When the 2011 uprising began, Anan was in Washington "for a week of meetings with senior American officers". He cut his visit short and returned to Egypt on 28 January, reported the New York Times.

      He was seen by the Pentagon at the time as “a crucial link for the United States as it navigates the rocky course ahead with Cairo”, reported the NYT.

      Take it for MEE

    3. Turkish pilot arrest, who participated in the coup - in an F16 that was refueled from a Incirlik absolves Erdogan of any role in the Russian Shootdown. Will Ahmet Davutoglu be the next in exile?

  3. read this earlier and might answer a part of the Egypt role and the money behind what Sisi does

    Turkey Coup Conspiracy Deepens: More US Connections and Saudi/Emirati Role Exposed

    1. The Iranians were the 1st to condemn the attempted coup and criticised the Saudis/Qataris for staying quiet during the attempted coup.

  4. Penny, you know that only "Truth exists; only lies are invented".

    It is good to have first a rest before "investigation of things" as the Chinese sages (and not only them, of course, actually all traditional philosophy that is seeking the Truth - "which will set us free") taught.

    "What the Great Learning teaches is: to illustrate illustrious virtue; to renovate the people; and to rest in the highest excellence.
    The point where to rest being known, the object of pursuit is then determined; and, that being determined, an unperturbed calmness may be attained to.
    To that calmness there will succeed a tranquil repose. In that repose there may be careful deliberation, and that deliberation will be followed by the attainment of the desired end.
    Things have their root and their branches. Affairs have their end and their beginning. To know what is first and what is last will lead near to what is taught in the Great Learning...
    Wishing to cultivate their persons, they first rectified their hearts.
    Wishing to rectify their hearts, they first sought to be sincere in their thoughts.
    Wishing to be sincere in their thoughts, they first extended to the utmost of their knowledge.
    Such extension of knowledge lay in the investigation of things.
    Things being investigated, knowledge became complete."

  5. ? US to Set Up Five Military Bases in Iraqi kurdistan Region

    and Iran also just warned a couple of days ago about MEK MOK bases sprouted up.
    Katheon has a couple of articles up too. Dugin was in Turkey when the coup started, in the airport waiting for a flight.
    He speaks briefly about this in his update there.

    1. My goof.. there are far too many 3 letter groups/ agencies/ etc for this old gal to keep straight
      I was referring , naturally, to the Iranian terrorist / US ally group.