Sunday, August 28, 2016

Kurds: Betrayers Are Often Betrayed- Victims of and Parties to Conflict

 One of those, for your information- keep it under your hat, kind of posts

I've never been one to promote the Kurd victim meme so liberally spread at this time- Nothing is ever that simplistic- Memes are simply mind viruses created to manipulate. Kurd:Victim is a meme.

All information I've read regarding the 'leaders' of the messy mix of Kurdish people, shows their leadership to be both betrayers and betrayed. Always aligning themselves with power for their own, often corrupted, personal gain. But, never  completely innocent! Never entirely the victim. Kurdish elite and fighters have a history of brutality, ethnic cleansing and aligning with power for gain. As it was in the past, so it is in the present. What is apparent is the leadership leaves the masses to bear the brunt of their corruption.... Much like the masses everywhere (not unique to kurds) Sigh......
Such a familiar theme.

It's interesting also how much the kurds have fought among themselves. And they still are today!

20 page pdf : The Kurds as Parties to and Victims of Conflict

In the inter-Kurdish civil war that broke out in 1994, each of the two parties sided with neighbouring countries in order to defeat its adversary. In 1996 the KDP even called for military support from the Iraqi government to expel the PUK from Arbil.
In 1998 the KDP and PUK ended their conflict and started to cohabit in a ‘‘cold peace’’ relationship, but did not manage either to reunite their two administrations or to repatriate the thousands of citizens displaced during the fighting. In autumn 2002 there were still heavily armed checkpoints in the no- man’s-land between the two areas of influence. Although on a much smaller scale, another confrontation emerged, this time between the PUK and a radical Islamist group called Ansar al-Islam that had established its base in the mountainous area near Halabja on the border with Iran. It consisted of radical Islamists who had split off from other Islamist groups in Kurdistan, and of Kurdish and Arab Afghanistan ‘‘veterans’
So many of the same groups still around today- Some readers here may recall me mentioning Ansar al Islam as a Kurdish group of radical Islamists.. Some readers may recall me mentioning it seemed much more probable that the Kurds killed (gassed) in Halabja were killed by other kurdish factions, rather then Saddam Hussein- Much in the same way that it was the rebels that used sarin gas in Syria.

However, for rallying the troops and enforcing a simplistic meme, blaming Saddam for 'gassing the kurds' was likely more expedient

From 1992: An 18 page pdf- Read it entirely-
  1. Foreign Influences on the Kurdish Insurgency in Iraq 
  2. "Although it is not possible to predict the future, it is clear that the Kurds in Iraq have a rare opportunity to add a chapter to the new world order being constructed as the twentieth century draws to a close"
(26) Former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin admitted that his country gave  the Kurds "money, arms, and instructors."

Medvedev signs order lifting ban off chartered flights between Russia and Turkey


    1. Hoping someone read the pdf's- I thought they were brief, yet insightful enough to post-


      Analysis of Turkish invasion of Syrian sovereign territory by the Duran site. I place much stock in Mark Sleboda's viewpoints.

      1. I'm taking a wait and see approach on this matter
        As there is conflicting information all over the place

        "Russia's Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed an order to lift the ban for chartered flights between Russia and Turkey. The document is published on the government's website"

        On August 26, Russian and Turkish presidents, Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan, conducted a telephone conversation. The presidents discussed the situation in Syria and agreed to continue personal communication conversation. The conversation was initiated by President Erdogan.

        "The leaders had a detailed exchange of views on the state of affairs in Syria. They noted the importance of joint efforts in the fight against terrorism," a message from the Kremlin said. In addition, the presidents discussed "issues of further development of Russian-Turkish cooperation in political, trade and economic spheres in light of the agreements reached at the meeting in St. Petersburg on August 9."

    3. Charles and Penny, read this:

      1. Hi Ally :)

        Just got back home and am making tea and have opened the link to read, looks lengthy, but that doesn't deter me!

      2. Andrew Korybko is a great analyst but there is a hugely important actor missing from his take on this - the Americans, including grinning Joe Biden.

        No mention of their goals or their participation in these events. So I have to say Korybko's analysis is greatly flawed.

        This is not to say that what Korybko portrays was not the plan, it probably was (as far as the Russians were concerned) but it demonstrably did not play out that way.

        For that, I suggest Finian Cunningham's piece, "Erdogan Plays US and Russia"

        Scorpions must act according to their nature. My guess is that Erdogan conned the Russians and soon the Americans will spring their con on Erdogan.

        Lots more Syrians and lots more Turks are going to die because of these "games" of Erdogan and the US. I sincerely hope that the Russians finally learn not to negotiate with snakes

      3. hi james:

        went to read FC's piece and within the first few paragraphs it reads suspiciously like the Svoboda article

        safe zones
        US on board

        the rapprochement (Turkey and Russia) didn't follow the coup attempt. It preceded it

        how could he get that wrong?

        Funny that you mention Scorpions though in relation to Turkey because in my mind it is Russia that I associate with scorpions and Scorpio

        Jura Lina's book; Under the Sign of the Scorpion
        Read it more then a few years back, quite interesting!

        "This book provides stunning information about the secret role of the freemasons in international politics, about the bloody upheavals in France in 1789 and in Russia in 1917. The Author reveals the presence of dark Masonic forces behind the scenes (both Lenin and Trotsky were high-ranking freemasons, obeying the International Masonic Council). The Author pursues the history of the communist ideology from the Illuminati of the 18th century, to Moses Hess and his disciples Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels"

        And much, much more..
        A free copy of it can be found online...

      4. Hi Pen,
        I think you mean the Soviet Union rather than Russia in relation to Jura Lina's scorpions.

        My reference was to do with the fable of the frog and the scorpion and I was referring to Erdogan, not Turkey.

        The rapprochment was a process that started before the coup (true) but accelerated greatly afterwards.

        We shall see how this all pans out soon enough. Looking forward to your next post.

      5. Yah, it's definitely interesting- How this is going to unfold- there are so many potential outcomes...
        It boggles the mind, really.

        and yes, I did mean the soviet union- correct.. and early writing, cause I think of Russia as russia and not in terms of the soviet union any longer, but, I have to be accurate in that regard.

        don't know the fable of frog and scorpion?
        will look into it :)

      6. The Frog and the Scorpion

    4. Ally! that was an excellent article- calm, rational explanation- no hyperbole- my preferred type of read
      Thanks, will give it a proper linking and partial posting!