Thursday, February 13, 2014

Bosnian Spring? "Let's call it a Putsch" !

With thanks to freethinker!
lengthy but a worthy read

A Bosnian Spring- Let’s call it a putsch.
Feb 09/2014
I have added additional links to the post
Mr. Karganovic, in Tuzla, Mostar, Zenica and Sarajevo, government buildings have been set on fire by protesters and there have been demonstrations across much of the rest of the country. Hundreds have been injured, including policemen. BBC News talks already about „Balkan Spring“...
Karganovic: (laughs) This is not surprising at all. I predicted this a long time ago and I discussed this already with officials of the Republika Srpska last year. It did not happen unexpectedly.

Why is that?

Karganovic: For a long time we have been expecting something like a “color revolution” in the Republika Srpska. The West, the EU and NATO are not really friends of the Serbian entity in Bosnia and Herzegovina – that´s not a secret.

We are talking about geopolitics and not about social problems, right?

Karganovic: Exactly. We are talking about attempts to bring a new pro Western order to the Balkans, to push back Russian influence and to make Bosnia and Herzegovina an EU and NATO colony. And we are talking also about an anti-Serbian movement camouflaged as “social justice” and “pro democracy” groups.

But then the riots would have started for example in Banja Luka, not in Tuzla which is part of the Bosniak-Croat Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Why doesn´t the unrest concentrate on the Republika Srpska?

Karganovic: It is about making all of Bosnia and Herzegovina a “clean state”. The Federation is for the western globalists as disturbing as the Republika Srpska, because it represents also an entity based on national identity. Of course it is easier to start trouble in the Croat-Muslim part, because it already has a mixed population. ( the protests began in the mostly Muslim areas)
It all began in Tuzla, a city with a Muslim majority
The recent events are about to establish a new type of state in Bosnia and Herzegovina. For this you need much more slavish pro Western political elite. And something else: If the unrest had started for example in Banja Luka, it would have been very obvious that it is directed against the existence and integrity of the Republika Srpska.

What do you mean by a “clean state”?

Karganovic: I mean a state without the two entities, a centralistic Bosnian state without the political autonomy of the ethnic groups. But for such a state project you need a functioning new elite which doesn´t feel “Croatian” or “Muslim” or “Serbian” - but “Bosnian”.
And unsurprisingly the protestors are calling for a new government- A government of experts Technocrats, no doubt- Same goal as in the Ukraine...
"Thousands protested in a dozen Bosnian cities Monday to demand that politicians be replaced by non-partisan experts"
And a pro western elite which integrates Bosnia in the structures of NATO and EU. Further goals, however, are to bring Bosnia as a whole not only into NATO but to integrate it completely within Western European Atlantic structures. As a result, a protectorate enjoying some autonomy here and there is to be transformed to a completely dominated colony. Until today, the Serbian population and the Republika Srpska have been particularly opposed to such integration.
Political Map of Bosnia and Herzegovina
Political Map of Bosnia and Herzegovina

        So it is about a “regime change”?

Karganovic: We can call it “regime change” or putsch.

But the protesters don´t call for “regime change” - they call for social and economic change in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Keep in mind this interview is 4 days old and the 'protest' is moving along- so there is a demand for regime change- addressed above

Karganovic: It is not happening yet. But please let me explain: The calls for social and economical improvements are totally justified. But already now we can see parallels to the unrest in Ukraine. Protesters call for getting close to the EU, to the West in general. They say: Everything will become better in Bosnia as soon as we start with the European and Western integration. The social and economic problems of Bosnia and Herzegovina are considered suitable to simulate a country-wide protest, where the national identity of the citizens doesn´t play any role anymore. And it is designed to spill over into the Republika Srpska for sure.

But this will not bring any social and economical improvements – on the contrary – it will install chaos in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The social and economic situation will become worse as we see for example in Ukraine...

Karganovic: It is all about that chaos. Within this chaos the infrastructure of the best prepared and trained groups can take power. Many Western NGOs were supporting such an infrastructure in this country over the last few years. You can easily guess who the best organized forces are going to be. The only thing which is not sure is that the economic and social problems will be solved.
Order out of chaos

The German mainstream newspapers celebrate the unrest in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The left wing alternative German Tageszeitung wrote the headline “Together against nationalism” and cheers to the assumption, that ethnic differences don´t play any role anymore among the younger generation in Bosnia. Until now the Croats as well as the Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina shared the wish of returning one day to their motherlands, Croatia and Serbia. Is this unrest also to establish a sort of a new “Bosnian People” - at least in the mainstream propaganda?
against nationalism- towards a one world order- how very globalist/ism....
Karganovic: You hit the nail on the head. The new state needs a new people with a new identity. As I repeat myself: especially the Serbian identity is a disturbing factor for any pro Western plans with Bosnia and Herzegovina. So preparations have been going on for some years, as I said already. Also two German foundations are very active here: the conservative Konrad-Adenauer-Foundation and the social democratic Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung. They train and educate the “new elite”. The Konrad-Adenauer-Foundation trains groups for the moment when they come to power in the Republika Srpska. By the way: in Ukraine the Adenauer-Foundation trains the political party of Vitali Klitschko. All these trainings by Western NGOs have the same aim: to create a new pro Western group across all ethnic lines to take power at the right moment. This is the political bridge of collaborators across the entity lines. So the comments you quote from Germany media fit in perfectly within that scenario.

The majority of Croats and Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina will not feel “Bosnian” all of the sudden just because of a new Western trained type of “hipster government” in Sarajevo and a centralized Bosnian state...

Karganovic: For sure not. But we shouldn´t be naive. Those projects take long time – but if we look at what happened to other eastern European states with their “integration” we find sell off of natural resources, liberal market “shock therapy” and so on.

Mr. Karganovic, your opponents would call you now a conspiracy theorist. They would say: “These young people protest for a better a life and you claim they act on geopolitical behalf of others”.

Karganovic: Of course – this is part of the strategy. But let us check the facts. One of the protesting groups is called UDAR...

But UDAR is the Ukrainian party of Vitali Klitschko...

Stefan Karganovic (very left) and me discussing at the Srebrenica Historical Project in 2012

Stefan Karganovic (very left) and me discussing at the Srebrenica Historical Project in 2012

Karganovic: (laughs) Yes, and now we have an UDAR also in Bosnia and Herzegovina. By the way: the Ukrainian UDAR party is a product of the Konrad-Adenauer-Foundation. The Bosnian UDAR recently published a manifesto. In this manifesto they call – besides justified criticism of the social and economic problems - for the “end of nationalism” and for the “start of negations with NATO and EU”.

Mr. Karganovic, you compare the recent events in Bosnia and Herzegovina with the so called “Bulldozer Revolution” in Serbia in 2000. That “revolution” ended with the overthrow of Slobodan Miloševic'. Where do you see parallels? And who is the Miloševic' in Bosnia and Herzegovina?

Karganovic: The groups and organizations from 2000 in Serbia in their aims and techniques are very similar to those in Bosnia today. As you mentioned the operation in Serbia ended with the overthrow of president Miloševic' and a sort of “new orientation” of Serbia itself. Also here the aim is to overthrow Milorad Dodik – the president of Republika Srpska. At the end would come the complete disintegration of the Republika Srpska. Serbia and the Serbians are the disturbing factor in Western globalist plans. These protests are anti-Serbian without using the term anti-Serbian.

But aren´t there Serbs protesting also?

Karganovic: Of course, there are many Serbs among the protest movement. But these protesters believe that their national identity is right now not so important when it is sacrificed for a greater good. Maybe they will wake up with a headache when they come to the realization that they are fight right now for their own destruction. Now they sacrifice their national identity for a better job – but at the end they will have lost their identity and still be jobless or poorly paid.

UDAR is attacking the Republika Srpska in its declarations...
Karganovic: Of course they do. By the way: the Bosnian protest movement uses the Otpor fist as a symbol. “Otpor” (English: Resistance) was the organization which led the protests against Miloševic'. Otpor was a recipient of funds from US government-affiliated organizations such as the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), International Republican Institute (IRI), and US Agency for International Development (USAID). And UDAR says in its declarations, “there is only a single, democratic, sovereign and independent state of Bosnia and Herzegovina” and that “the so-called ‘Republica Srpska’ exists only as part of an illegal constitution in the Annex of the Dayton Agreement”. I told you, the protests are anti-Serbian. UDAR claims: “The goal of aggression and genocide against the citizens of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina was to create an ethnically pure Greater Serbia at the expense of the territory of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina.” This is logical in the eyes of the protesters: only by the destruction of the Serbian entity can you get a centralistic “new Bosnia,” as UDAR calls it already. Please tell me, could it be more anti-Serbian?

Former “Otpor” members founded the “Center for Applied Nonviolent Action and Strategies” (CANVAS) in Belgrade...

Karganovic: Yes and we shouldn´t underestimate the CANVAS influence on the Bosnian events now. Drawing upon the Serbian experience, CANVAS educates so called “pro-democracy activists” around the world. Right now CANVAS plays a role in the protests in Ukraine for example. About one month ago CANVAS activists and instructors were expelled from Ukraine because they actually were teaching very violent methods. All these ideas are based on the playbook of the US political scientist Gene Sharp. His writings inspire and direct pro Western uprisings and protests round the world. Western intelligence agencies use Sharp´s playbook for their work. CANVAS and the Bosnian UDAR (also the Ukrainian UDAR) base their tactics on Sharp´s instructions for overthrowing governments.

If the government and president of the Republika Srpska know today what will come – what are they doing to react and defend the Serbian entity against the NATO proxies (“peaceful protesters”)?

Karganovic: In my opinion not enough. And we have already in the Republika Srpska our own “Vitali Klitschko” - the “activist” Nikola Dronjak. Although his level of intelligence is simular to Klitschko´s we shouldn´t underestimate those forces which help and support the “protest movement”. Dronjak is working very closely together with CANVAS. We should be more aware of the upcoming danger for this country. But this is unfortunately a common problem of Balkan governments, they are a bit slow – some critics even use the term “lazy”...

But we are not!

Karganovic: (laughs) Of course not!

So what should president Dodik and his government do?

Karganovic: Two important things: The government should inform the people in the Republika Srpska about the backgrounds of these protests; it should name the organizations and their real aims. But then I would remind the president that he is a social democrat. So he should take his social responsibility to improve the social and economic situation in the Republika Srpska and fight corruption. I am convinced that Serbs can solve all these problems without one single NATO or EU advisor on their soil.

A piece from 2010 Re-repairing Bosnia 
It does seem that Bosnia has been on the mind of certain political elites
Europe must end its diplomatic indifference to Bosnia's need for reform if it is to prevent a breakdown in the fragile status quo
• Support for civil-society groups and democratic parties prior to elections throughout Bosnia this October. The EU and the US should underscore the need for political change and for candidates who support EU accession as indispensable to Bosnia's economic and political progress.
The alternative – tinkering with reform while hoping that time, EU money and a watchful eye will move the three Bosnian communities toward political harmony – is not prudent policy.


  1. FYI
    'Protest started on 4th of February in the industrial city of Tuzla. Workers of several privatized companies based in Tuzla organized a protest (without the help or support of trade-unions) demanding the cancellation of privatizations and against closing-down of the factories. They were joined by large number of people from the city and the region, especially students and unemployed youth;

    1. brian: the place the protests began is mentioned in the post
      by the interviewee and I added an link

    2. who are the foreign comrades this site is concerned with spreading the word too?

  2. the war on President Vladimir Putin....
    russiaphobia joins the western autocracies and islamists, the left and right in a common bond of pious outage.

    'The Sochi Games have, after all, been relentlessly transformed by influential Western NGOs, campaigners and officials into a platform for criticising and ridiculing Putin’s Russia. The Games have been thoroughly politicised, by everyone from human-rights groups to gay activists, turned into what one observer calls an ‘unlikely platform [for] world condemnation’ of Russia, a condemnation which in recent months has reached ‘fever pitch’. If Islamists think Sochi represents a good opportunity for attacking Russia, maybe they’ve been influenced by powerful Western elements who for the past year have been using Sochi to precisely those ends.'
    'The most striking thing about the Western response to the savage attacks on civilians in Volgograd is how little sympathy there has been. There’s even a powerful hint of ‘You had it coming’ in the editorialising on the bombings.'
    'Try to imagine how we would respond if, just a few days after Christmas, a St Pancras station packed with commuters was targeted by a suicide bomber and a London bus was blown to smithereens. We’d be shocked, distressed, keen to discover who the culprits were and possibly to clamp down on their suspected associates or sponsors. Yet Russia’s similar feelings of loss and anger are subtly ridiculed by Western observers. Putin will probably ‘respond ruthlessly to yesterday’s suicide bombing’, scoffs one newspaper in a piece on the corruption and authoritarianism of modern Russia'
    So in recent months, Greenpeace activists from the West have attacked Russian oil rigs on the basis that they are ‘destroying the Arctic’; Amnesty International has elevated the cause of Pussy Riot, Russia’s then imprisoned female punk band, above every other human-rights cause on Earth, generating a massive, celebrity-endorsed moral assault on Putin’s authoritarianism; numerous NGOs, some of them funded by American government agencies, have set up shop in Russia with the aim of exposing its democratic failings; right-leaning commentators have slammed Putin for using ‘bullying and cajolery’ to try to make modern Russia as globally powerful as the Soviet Union once was. Westerners who don’t agree on very much have become unified around the cause of Anti-Putinism.

    so russia is authoritartian and UKUS are not? once again media and state are aligned in the 'free' and 'demcratic' west..

    1. No Amerika is not authoritarian just ask my fearless leaders 0 and gang. No buddy can prove Amerika is and you can't use we are trying to control the world because if you do you are an anti-Amerikan and we are the good guys just ask us and the lying so-called liberal media will tell you.

      Snark in case you miss it.

      I would love it if Iran, Russia, China and even Syria opened up ngos in Amerika.

    2. I forgot to add thanks for posting this Penny

    3. jo6pac: I would love it if Iran, Russia, China and even Syria opened up ngos in Amerika.

      would that be hoot or what?!

      and you are welcome :)

  3. wise move to ban CANVAS seditionist from Ukraine : once bitten..

    'Ukraine forbid former Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili and another 35 foreigners, including the Serb Marko Ivkovic, to enter the country, on the suspicion of working with the opposition to destabilize the country during the great pro-European demonstration in Kiev.'
    The daily “Kommersant” writes that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and security services declared as “persona non grata” Saakashvili, 29 Georgians, 5 U.S. citizens and one Serb.

    Interfax news agency reported that Marko Ivkovic participated in organizing a revolution against Slobodan Milosevic and promoted similar scenario in Ukraine.

    Marko Ivkovic is one of the founders of “Otpor” and an activist of “CANVAS” (Center for Applied Nonviolent Action and Strategies) whose members have already trained Ukranian opposition supporters during the “Orange revolution” in 2004.

    According to portal, in 2003 he advised opposition movement “Kmara” in Georgia, and he also participated in the “Tulip Revolution” in Kyrgyzstan in 2010.

  4. The uprising against Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, the sister of one-time Soros ally-turned-opponent. former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, ousted in a CIA-inspired military coup in 2006, is also inspired by elements aligned with Monsanto.

    Whereas Ukraine is eastern Europe’s breadbasket, Thailand is Asia’s “rice bowl.” Yingluck has made several statements that any agreement on a Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) free trade zone must take into account the needs of Thailand’s farmers, who serve as the bedrock of popular support for Yingluck’s “Red Shirt” movement. After Yingluck came to the defense of Thailand’s farmers, who would oppose any attempt by Monsanto to introduce genetically-modified rice to the country (which previously occurred with Haiti, which saw its rice industry decimated), pro-royalist “Yellow Shirt” protesters took to the streets of Bangkok.

    Bangkok became a replay of Maidan Square in Kyiv. Corporate-controlled “rent-a-mobs” demanded the resignations of the democratically-elected governments of Yanukovych and Yingluck. These attempted coups are formulated in the board rooms of Wall Street, with money from Monsanto, logistical support from the CIA, and mobs courtesy of the OTPOR!, CANVAS, Soros’s Open Society Institute, and National Endowment for Democracy agitation networks.

    - See more at:

  5. Penny,

    Been reading alot on Ukraine today and even watched a Documentary on Yugoslavia (even tho produced in france, I could see thru most of the unspoken provocations there)

    Found this earlier and interesting history since Bandera seems to be the "nationalists" hero. Allen Dulles and the OUN-B; Did the CIA/MI6 use of Nazis in Ukraine During the Cold War Ever Stop?

    The Cold War II is heating up, will Russia be spread to thinly ? (this is my fear )
    A "Fascist and Nazi Creeping Coup" in Ukraine: A strategic Threat to Russia

    Here is the link for the Weekly Russia publication that published the original article. Looks like an interesting publication.

    Tony Cartalucci has a website devoted to what is happening there and a twitter feed AltMedia I believe it is.. You can find the blog at his regular blog and he is up to date on that issue for some weeks now.

    The "golden rice" is a huge issue to what is happening along with the puppet Thaksin regime even though he isn't 'there and his sister is sitting-puppet.

    Going to check out Dieudonne :))

  6. An audio interview via Voice of Russia with Karganovic (same fellow ) concerning Bosnia ( he predicts they might start back up later on ) and Ukraine

    Western color revolution architecture activated in Bosnia-Herzegovina – Stephan Karganovic