Thursday, November 1, 2018

Istanbul Summit on Syria Was a Success but Caveats Remain

I had wanted to write about the most recent Istanbul summit on Syria.  But time was not on my side. Fortunately MK BHADRAKUMAR wrote an excellent oped that expresses much of what should be said and a bit more!

Istanbul summit had to have gone well, because, the 5 eyes media was deriding the meetings very heavily this week end. The US 5 eyes outlets, including alt places, were lamenting the US being left out of the talks. Without mentioning the US does NOT want to resolve Syria politically, unless it’s entirely on their terms.

 "The four-nation Turkey-Russia-Germany-France summit on Syria on October 27 in Istanbul had an impressive outcome. All participants – each with own interests – has some ‘takeaway’ from the summit, which itself is a measure of the success of the event. This is also important because the participants now have a reason to work together.

Such an outcome can be interpreted in the following ways.
First and foremost, a major regional conflict impacting international security was addressed without US participation. A sign of our times?

Second, participants didn’t quarrel over President Bashar Al-Assad’s “fate”. The debate becomes pedantic today in terms of ground realities. The Syrian nation should decide on its future. That’s also been Assad’s demand.

Third, some serious thought has been given to the journey towards a Syrian settlement – ceasefire, drafting of new constitution followed by elections under UN supervision.
Four, the participants snubbed the US-Israeli plan to balkanize Syria into “spheres of influence and have also squashed the Israeli dreams of getting international legitimacy for its illegal occupation of Golan Heights as part of any settlement.

Five, Germany and France have become amenable to the Russian demand pressing the urgency for rendering humanitarian aid to Syria and help in reconstruction. (US made this conditional on Assad’s removal.) We’ll have to see how it pans out, but the summit also stressed the importance of return of Syrian refugees (which is a key issue for European countries.)

Six, the participants recognized that the remaining terrorists in Syria must be destroyed – although, significantly, they also supported the Idlib ceasefire deal brokered by Turkey and Russia.

The bottom line is that it is the post-war Syrian order that is under discussion now. However, it must be understood as well that the proxy war is not ending but is rather morphing into the diplomatic war that lies ahead, which of course will be keenly fought, given the divergent interests of the foreign protagonists.

Generally speaking, Russia and Turkey are in command as of now. Their own equations are good but there are grey areas, too. The importance of close coordination between Russia and Turkey cannot but be stressed.

Iran cannot be happy that it has been excluded from the Istanbul summit. But it may prove an underestimation that Iran is in no position to assert its legitimate interests. The close consultations between Russia and Iran – not only regarding Syria – are of course the mitigating factor here.

Similarly, “post-Khashoggi” Saudi attitude to Syria remains the “known unknown”. The US is in a position to blackmail Saudi Arabia to continue to bankroll its military presence in Syria, but Saudis cannot be having their heart in the overreach to project power abroad.
Something has fundamentally changed – Saudis are not used to their prestige being dragged in the mud as in this past month and the traumatic experience cannot but have a sobering effect.

Besides, Saudis dare not cross swords with Turkey on the latter’s Syrian playpen. Above all, Saudis would not want to undermine Russian efforts to stabilize Syria, since Moscow’s goodwill and cooperation is extremely vital for Riyadh in the coming period, now that the raison d’etre of Riyadh’s “Look East” is beyond doubt.

Flashback to: Saudi Arabia gets a friend in need – Russia

Basically, France and Germany are lightweights in Syria. They had a limited agenda at the Istanbul summit. Russia must know fully well that in the final analysis, US involvement is crucial. It is entirely conceivable that at the forthcoming Russian-American summit in Paris on November 11, Syria will be a major topic of discussion.

The US policy in Syria is at a crossroad and will hinge greatly on the standing of President Trump in the aftermath of the November 6 mid-term elections in the US.
The US is going to have to start pulling out of Syria.. or the situation is going to escalate. And no one wants that! Except for the most despotic, psychotic types. Of which, there are many!

Clearly, this was far from a situation of three major allies of the US staging a mutiny on the NATO ship. Germany and France would have consulted Washington most certainly ahead of the Istanbul summit (which has been in the making for months.)

The big question is how the Turkish-American relations evolve. The Khashoggi affair has brought about certain US-Turkey “proximity”. Ironically, the Deep State in America and Trump are on the same page here – rediscovering the vital importance of Turkey for the US regional strategies.

The spokesmen of the Deep State used to defame Turkish President Recep Erdogan for being “Islamist” and “authoritarian” and so on and probably even tried to overthrow him in the failed coup of 2016, but today, they laud him for espousing Islamic democracy as the panacea for the region.

Erdogan, in turn – or at least a part of him – had always hankered for recognition by the West when he sought Turkey’s historic leadership role in the Middle East and uniqueness to act as a bridge between the West and the region. Equally, Trump is eternally grateful to Erdogan to refrain from spilling the beans on the Khashoggi affair and for helping him finesse a major crisis for his presidency on the foreign-policy front.

Suffice to say, this “transition” in the US-Turkey tough love can profoundly affect the geopolitics of the Middle East provided of course Washington plays its cards carefully in regard of Erdogan’s wish list on a host of pending issues, including some of great sensitivity.

Syria is somewhere at the top of Erdogan’s priorities. Howsoever unpalatable it may appear, Erdogan will expect the Americans to throw their Syrian Kurdish allies under the bus. Yesterday, Turkish army bombarded Kurdish positions east of Euphrates.
MKB is being politically correct. It's not unpalatable to throw corrupt, murderous terrorists under the bus. This is, however, not the commonly presented narrative. But it is the reality.
 The PKK/YPG called in air strikes that killed civilians. They brutalized many Syrian residents. They participated fully in the ethnic cleansing of these same people.
 Russia will also expect the US to throw the Kurds under the bus- They have supported Assad's desire to unify the nation- And Russia cannot support the balkanization of Syria, knowing this is the plan the US and friends have for Russia, Turkey and Iran. Iran, will expect the same of the US.

Now, how Turkish policies play out in Syria is difficult to predict, since the variables are too many. A US-Turkey rapprochement is hard to reach. But then, Turks and Americans are also old allies and they have a way of knocking their heads together and start working together again.
If, and it's a big if, Turkey and the US work together again... they will not be allies. And they never  really were. 



  1. Yes, that's right, Penny. Stalin's Soviet Union and the 'Nazis' (the ones who run the West) weren't allies either.

    It seems Erdogan's Turkey is the only one able and willing to fight the 'Nazis' (i.e. Rothschild/Rockefeller & Co.) and its Trotskyite (PKK) and Saudi (Daesh) terrorist proxies (i.e. KurdIShIS), who have invaded and ethically cleansed the whole of Syria east of the Euphrates. That's the reason the regular and alt 'Nazi'/Nato media have for a long time been demonizing Erdogan's Turkey. See Ibrahim Karagül's latest (Oct 31) column.

    1. Sorry, I forgot an n (ethnically cleansed) and also forgot to mention Yeni Safak (Yeni Safak's Ibrahim Karagül).

    2. Just my opinion, wrt, the ww2 allies, including the Soviet Union...... You're right the west and the soviet union were not really allies- they were allies of convenience, much in the same way Turkey is an 'ally' of convenience.

      The real allies have always been and still are US/UK/Zionists.
      Everything else is incidental.

      I've a way back post here at the blog where it's made pretty clear that US policy wrt Turkey has always been as it serves the US... and nothing more.

      It's interesting to consider, at this present time, the killing of Khashoggi as a "Lawrence of Arabia" kind of act.

      Intended to stir the Arabs of Saudi Arabia up against the Turks aka the Ottoman- history repeats in some strange ways, but, it does appear to repeat.

      Intending to sow division- and talk of a deal between Turkey and the US regarding this incident- seems to be just that- unsubstantiated talk- Still haven't seen any signs the US is backing away from their remake the region agenda

      Speaking of the nazi media or the 5 eyes as I call them, alt or msm. I have noticed these talks that Russia and Turkey have had starting with Astana to this latest one get little to no coverage in either faction of the controlled media- and if it is covered at all it's to deride the meetings.

      Why might that be?

  2. Laika:
    I found the oped

    some interesting quotes

    "An operation targeting three regions, that map is going to be destroyed"
    " this is a Western invasion, and it is the same ploy to divide that was used during the time of the Crusader invasions."

    But am unclear which party is being referenced with this comment?
    If anyone?

    "Observe who "in our midst" switches positions after the operation targeting the east of the Euphrates begins, and who takes action for their secret agenda."
    any thoughts you wish to share?